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Cameras - everywhere - except individual, single occupancy enforced, stalls. I'd still support it, because with video evidence there is no they said vs they sa

Cameras - everywhere - except individual, single occupancy enforced, stalls. I'd still support it, because with video evidence there is no they said vs they said. There is just the truth. There's also no more wiggle room for mistakes or minor deviance. Policies that normalize and enforce non-punishment for non-serious offenses must also be put in place to prevent the abuses of that system.

bobkazamakis 4y ago
Please stop wasting my tax money on bullshit like this rather than having appropriate staffing.
- matt_holmes 4y ago
  Yes Bob, lack of adequate staffing at schools is probably the single biggest contributing factor for student alienation. Infact, social media (which has a lot to do with cameras and technology) is often a factor in alienation and bullying. So I agree, cameras everywhere is not a viable solution. After all, someone would need to view and review those videos! And then what? Punish the bullies, leading them deeper into conflict with the school system?
ianai 4y ago
“individual, single occupancy enforced, stalls.” How about exactly and only that? You go to school, sit in your assigned stall for the day isolated from all other stalls by a locking mechanism, and assigned to lunch periods according to your history and the other kids histories. (Sounds a lot like administrative segregation in a prison…edit- yet I would have RAN to this option in my school days)
- user5678 4y ago
  I think (s)he’s referring to bathroom stalls.
  - mjevans 4y ago
    That and also locker room changing stalls for PE / sports.
newjersey 4y ago
There is a lot I am unsure about but I'm sure about this: zero tolerance does not work. Read more about it on the web. Zero tolerance is something management / administration created to not have to do their job. The world is nuanced and each case has to be judged on its own merit. I do not support slapping a zero tolerance "policy" (not really a policy, more like a copout). > Cameras - everywhere - except individual, single occupancy enforced, stalls. Will you place an actual human outside each such stall to guarantee there is ever only one person inside?
- Viliam1234 4y ago
  You define places where only one person is allowed at a time, a camera records the entrance to the place. If someone reports being attacked at given place, and the accused student says "actually, he attacked me", then you look at the record. The person who entered the place second is the one who broke the rules. Plus, you know he is lying to you. The problem with bullying is not just that someone can beat you up, but that if you try to complain, the bully can say "actually, he attacked me" or "no, we were just playing" or something like that, and the teacher will be like "wtf, I have no idea what actually happened, so just shake hands and be friends again, okay?" And you know you get beaten up tomorrow again. What an improvement it would be to have a place where, if you get beaten up, at least the camera will record that you were the victim.

bobkazamakis 4y ago

Please stop wasting my tax money on bullshit like this rather than having appropriate staffing.

matt_holmes 4y ago
Yes Bob, lack of adequate staffing at schools is probably the single biggest contributing factor for student alienation. Infact, social media (which has a lot to do with cameras and technology) is often a factor in alienation and bullying. So I agree, cameras everywhere is not a viable solution. After all, someone would need to view and review those videos! And then what? Punish the bullies, leading them deeper into conflict with the school system?

ianai 4y ago

“individual, single occupancy enforced, stalls.” How about exactly and only that? You go to school, sit in your assigned stall for the day isolated from all other stalls by a locking mechanism, and assigned to lunch periods according to your history and the other kids histories. (Sounds a lot like administrative segregation in a prison…edit- yet I would have RAN to this option in my school days)

user5678 4y ago
I think (s)he’s referring to bathroom stalls.
- mjevans 4y ago
  That and also locker room changing stalls for PE / sports.

newjersey 4y ago

There is a lot I am unsure about but I'm sure about this: zero tolerance does not work. Read more about it on the web. Zero tolerance is something management / administration created to not have to do their job. The world is nuanced and each case has to be judged on its own merit. I do not support slapping a zero tolerance "policy" (not really a policy, more like a copout). > Cameras - everywhere - except individual, single occupancy enforced, stalls. Will you place an actual human outside each such stall to guarantee there is ever only one person inside?

Viliam1234 4y ago
You define places where only one person is allowed at a time, a camera records the entrance to the place. If someone reports being attacked at given place, and the accused student says "actually, he attacked me", then you look at the record. The person who entered the place second is the one who broke the rules. Plus, you know he is lying to you. The problem with bullying is not just that someone can beat you up, but that if you try to complain, the bully can say "actually, he attacked me" or "no, we were just playing" or something like that, and the teacher will be like "wtf, I have no idea what actually happened, so just shake hands and be friends again, okay?" And you know you get beaten up tomorrow again. What an improvement it would be to have a place where, if you get beaten up, at least the camera will record that you were the victim.