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Trying Out Flipper Zero
- molten_roll 4y ago[flagged]
- molten_roll 4y ago[flagged]
- buffington 4y agoWhat exactly are you trying to say?
- molten_roll 4y ago[flagged]
- bastard_op 4y ago[flagged]
- orthecreedence 4y agoGosh, you can tell he really hates the Flipper.
- cactusplant7374 4y agoI’ve seen him on the Discord server for Unleashed firmware. I don’t think he hates it?
- antirez 4y agoMaybe the commenter was just sarcastic? My 10yo daughter always tells me: when you like something, you remark it so much, dad. I just think it is important to celebrate other people accomplishments: it has good effects on the world.
- cactusplant7374 4y agoAh yeah, probably. Misread it. I didn’t sleep that well. :)
- antirez 4y agoI hope you'll recover during the day! Take it easy :)
- cactusplant7374 4y agoFinished my 10mi run and relaxed the rest of the day! Not the greatest day but we work with what we have. Haha.
- rexreed 4y agoThis from a fellow who posts on Twitter using his Mastodon Social account handle. I don't get the point.
- po1nter 4y ago> the Flipper is an awesome device. I'm kinda sad to understand that its successor is Linux based Anyone know where can I find more info on this "successor" I tried googling with no luck.
- neilv 4y agoI suspect he means the Flipper One, which I haven't heard about in a while. https://flipperzero.one/one https://flipperzero.one/one
- fragmede 4y agoThe HackRF One would be the bigger brother to the Flipper Zero.
- sschueller 4y agoHackRF One requires a host computer such as a laptop so I wouldn't compare those to be siblings. More a cyberdeck with an SDR would be a larger sibling like this one: https://hackaday.io/project/183892-cyberdeck1 https://hackaday.io/project/183892-cyberdeck1
- plugger 4y agoHave you ever seen the PortaPack? https://github.com/eried/portapack-mayhem https://github.com/eried/portapack-mayhem
- sschueller 4y agoAh, forgot about that, yes I guess that could be considered the bigger brother of the flipper zero.
- sschueller 4y agoPeople and companies that are attacking the device because it makes unlocking certain things easy should realize that the issues is not the device but the antiquated vehicles/door locking system that basically uses obscurity for it's security. If you can unlock your car with the flipper zero you can also do it with a ~100 USD SDR and an old laptop.
- bmitc 4y agoDo those arguments really hold up though? I get that these devices are sort of the “messenger” in “don’t shoot the messenger”, but still. Security is about appropriate security. A general teenager or thief wanting to cause issues would not know what to do with an SDR and laptop, versus something like the Flipper making it point and click. So now that something is made so readily available, we need to increase the cost and complexity of various locks? I’m not arguing for or against anything here, but what I am arguing is that the discussion seems more nuanced. Is there an easy solution to improve locks on cars?
- sschueller 4y agoMany solution exist (rolling codes, encryption, tight timing etc.) that make it difficult to open a vehicle quickly. The main issue is that there are still cars being sold which might as well have no locks at all.
- adolph 4y agoNo locks means people are less likely to break the windows and leave a mess or get injured themselves.
- nix23 4y ago>Is there an easy solution to improve locks on cars? Public/Private Keys? You know a secure protocol like SSH?
- out_of_protocol 4y ago
- neilv 4y agoAre any more Flipper Zero units coming into the US? I heard that a shipment was seized a couple months ago, maybe due to national sanctions. (I have a Flipper Zero, but no time to play with it. Wondering whether I should sell it, or hold onto it because I won't be able to re-obtain one later.)
- garren 4y agoMine was held up by the seizure. I got an email about it, but they were able get it out a month or so later. They were able to work around it, but I don’t recall the details. I think they had a blog post about it.
- gadders 4y agoProbably being overly cynical, but I wonder if some of those flippers were back-doored by NSA or similar like they did to TVs.
- neilv 4y agoNo more ridiculous a theory would be that Russian hackers found a way to get many thousands of other hackers around the world to plug in BADUSB/trojan devices. And to also fund their own compromise. :) (No offense to our Flipper-creating friends. I suspect many hackers can appreciate the interesting and humorous human dynamics that are sometimes at play.)
- comfypotato 4y agoMine was too. The seizure had more to do with the war (as the devices come from Russia and are explicitly labeled for hacking) - my package got to me fine, looks like it wasn’t tampered with or anything. I think business is as usual for the Flipper folks.
- weinzierl 4y agoI thought they were shipped directly from China? On their shipping page they reported issues shipping to Belarus which would be unusual if they'd ship from Russia. If anything I'd expected issues with payment but I've never heard that to be the case.
- cactusplant7374 4y agoThe biggest issue is it’s not an SDR. So reverse engineering protocols will be much harder. At least that’s my understanding. Still, I have really enjoyed using it. UX is great as he says.
- smcl 4y agoHey @antirez, if you're in the comments here I have a little question. I see someone asked about availability, since it's currently Sold Out. How often did you hit the Store before a unit was available? And was it a really narrow window of availablility? I'm wondering if I should write a little script that'll fetch the page, check availability and send me a notification or whether I should just remember to check the page myself every couple of days.
- bru 4y agoThere's new units on sale every week. Alternatively, buy a second-hand one.
- antirez 4y agoHi! My purchase story was atypical: I saw the device, hit the official store, saw it available and just got it. Then I discovered I casually clicked in the exact right moment... No idea about their supply chain.
- smcl 4y agoAhh, interesting thanks! To be honest it's not much effort to write what I described, so I'll just dive in and set that up.
- rcarmo 4y agoYeah, I noticed it being available for a day or so a while back, but didn't click... :)
- smcl 4y agoSounds like we just need to check every day or so. Fingers crossed you manage to get one!
- comfypotato 4y agoI’m speaking from 6 months ago. My hacker (vuln researcher) friend just convinced to buy one, I went to the store and bought one. Probably just an uptick in sales right now because of similar blog posts and the current HN hit.
- mikeiz404 4y agohttps://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1609137698404700161.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1609137698404700161.html
- z3c0 4y agoVery useful service, thank you. I try not to harbor negative feelings for something as harmless as a writing format, but I can't help but to feel a glimmer of annoyance every time I see one of these Twitter blog posts.
- ahub 4y agoHonestly, this devices just misses a speaker and a microphone. It would make for the best phone ever.
- aaron695 4y ago> I tried to implement an attack to prevent my key from opening my car and I successfully had this jammer working at quite a distance (10 meters) Jamming codes - https://github.com/RocketGod-git/Flipper_Zero/tree/main/subghz/Jamming https://github.com/RocketGod-git/Flipper_Zero/tree/main/subg... Demo here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vls4FHw_0AE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vls4FHw_0AE
- karim79 4y agoI picked up two of these bad boys. It literally took minutes to turn it into a universal remote for everything in my flat, from TV to air filter and everything in between. I love the form factor as well as the interface. I haven't yet had time to delve into the more advanced use-cases, but indeed, it is impressive for what it can do out of the box.
- uconnectlol 4y ago> people will write that the Flipper can't be used for jamming. I've bad news. I will not explain what I did, but I tried to implement an attack to prevent my key from opening my car and I successfully had this jammer working at quite a distance (10 meters). That's not good, and script kiddies should be away from this techniques. What's not good is that tons of tech now relies on radio garbage for no reason, especially car keys.
- michaelmior 4y ago> tons of tech now relies on radio garbage for no reason, especially car keys. I'm curious what you mean by "radio garbage" and "for no reason."
- uconnectlol 4y agoFor instance, car keys.
- michaelmior 4y agoI'm confused about the "for no reason" part then. I get a lot of value from not having to physically approach my car and use a key to unlock or start it.
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- hnarn 4y agoJust to steel man the argument, I think what the parent might mean is that when you move from something that used to be physical security only (a regular key) to something that is now both physical and over radio, or worst case radio only, you are introducing a new medium and because of that you're also introducing a lot of new attack vectors and vulnerabilities. Presumably the argument is that the benefits you get from this new medium being introduced (being able to unlock your car from a distance) can be argued to not be useful enough to warrant the new issues it brings along with it (verifying the authenticity of the transmission, avoiding jamming, etc.), and one can argue that the Flipper Zero is shining a light on these issues in a new way: they have always been there as fundamental parts of the choice of the radio medium, but they are now easier to exploit.
- fortran77 4y agoTee product quality of the Flipper Zero, including the packaging and the unboxing experience, is incredible. I just got mine a couple of weeks ago and have used it every day. I've done things ranging from analyzing and emulating at the hotel keys at the NY hotel I stayed in the week of the 19th, to turning off the TV sets in the airport lounge on the way back home.
- rasz 4y agoImo the ancesotor - Girl IM-ME had much better ergonomics https://hackaday.com/2015/06/08/hacking-the-im-me-to-open-garages/ https://hackaday.com/2015/06/08/hacking-the-im-me-to-open-ga...
- weinzierl 4y agoThis is a brilliant wrap up, but the real gem is the accompanying app ProtoView. > "The secondary goal of ProtoView is to provide a somewhat-documented application for the Flipper [...] ." Having a well-documented, not too complicated and somewhat canonical beginner application is so important.
- beardedwizard 4y agoI have never seen a tool that really does so little out of the box (notice most people only talk about cloning IR remotes) be worried over so much. SDR, key relay and other radio based attacks were happening before flipper and will continue. Anyone who wants to do real harm with flipper will have to learn a lot, and when they do flipper won't be the tool they stick with. It is limited compared to something like hackrf. Criminals can buy all kinds of turnkey kits to do crime, flipper isn't one of them.
- rasz 4y agoBy buying Flipper Zero you are sending money to russia, indirectly funding terrorist invasion of Ukraine. :/
- baybal2 4y ago[dead]
- f311a 4y agoFYI, their CEO is Ukrainian
- rasz 4y agohttps://twitter.com/zhovner/status/1333526964771184647 https://twitter.com/zhovner/status/1333526964771184647 They are located in Moscow. Money goes directly to Russia/Moscow. This is why their funds and shipments were frozen.
- molten_roll 4y ago[dead]
- buffington 4y agoDuring the American invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, I was a founder of an American company. Using your logic, you could say I indirectly funded the invasion of those countries, since international customers were sending my company money. What sort of terrorist invasions have you indirectly funded?