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> I feel terror at the idea of all of our species on one planet with no backup. While I would like to live out the rest of my life as best as I could, and I ho

> I feel terror at the idea of all of our species on one planet with no backup. While I would like to live out the rest of my life as best as I could, and I hope everyone alive and not yet alive gets that chance too, I don't think it would be that great a tragedy if humankind no longer existed. Imagine a world where everyone is hooked up to a simulation that feels as real as real life and everyone gets to live out the best possible life (or even lives) for them. They can have as many (AI) children they want in the simulation and never even know they weren't real. In that world, where no one ever had real children again and humanity naturally died out, would that be a bad thing? Humanity is not providing any benefit except to itself.

inkblotuniverse 4y ago
That seems pretty bad, yeah. I care about humanity. I care about myself! You're welcome to sterilize yourself, but i don't think I'll follow. The scenario you describe doesn't involve pain, but that doesn't mean it isn't bad. An empty, dead universe seems worse to me than one teeming with thought.
- drewm1980 4y ago
  The thought experiment wasn't to end sentient life in a glorious generation of virtual hedonism, just humanity. Let the octopi build their ~own VR escapism pods.
  - m4rtink 4y ago
    I think people really underestimate resources needed to run these VR paradises - it needs mass and energy! I can fully imagine a totally disconnected VR dwelling civilization that still has hordes or self replicating bots of doom that dismantle planets and stars only to make more memory and compute. Might very well be more dangerous than a "normal" space faring civilization.
    - inkblotuniverse 4y ago
      Yes, that's the good future, except the overwhelming majority of people are virtual (keeping meat alive is expensive!)
- palata 4y ago
  I would rather not live than live in a world where the only living species is mankind. Think about a world without trees, birds, plants... well actually just imagine living on Mars.
thdespou 4y ago
This example of yours reminds me of Plato's allegory of the cave BTW.

inkblotuniverse 4y ago

That seems pretty bad, yeah. I care about humanity. I care about myself! You're welcome to sterilize yourself, but i don't think I'll follow. The scenario you describe doesn't involve pain, but that doesn't mean it isn't bad. An empty, dead universe seems worse to me than one teeming with thought.

drewm1980 4y ago
The thought experiment wasn't to end sentient life in a glorious generation of virtual hedonism, just humanity. Let the octopi build their ~own VR escapism pods.
- m4rtink 4y ago
  I think people really underestimate resources needed to run these VR paradises - it needs mass and energy! I can fully imagine a totally disconnected VR dwelling civilization that still has hordes or self replicating bots of doom that dismantle planets and stars only to make more memory and compute. Might very well be more dangerous than a "normal" space faring civilization.
  - inkblotuniverse 4y ago
    Yes, that's the good future, except the overwhelming majority of people are virtual (keeping meat alive is expensive!)
palata 4y ago
I would rather not live than live in a world where the only living species is mankind. Think about a world without trees, birds, plants... well actually just imagine living on Mars.

thdespou 4y ago

This example of yours reminds me of Plato's allegory of the cave BTW.