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I also describe it as torture. The conditions many children and young adults experience at school at the hands of their peers would be cause for firing in a cor

I also describe it as torture. The conditions many children and young adults experience at school at the hands of their peers would be cause for firing in a corporate environment and even legal action in the adult world.

sgjohnson 4y ago
> The conditions many children and young adults experience at school at the hands of their peers would be cause for firing in a corporate environment and even legal action in the adult world. This isn't really relevant though, because kids are a lot more cruel than adults.
- Traubenfuchs 4y ago
  Adults are just as cruel, they are merely more aware (or more a subject) of social and legal repercussions.
- ajuc 4y ago
  Kids are just allowed to get away with it. If adults were allowed to beat others with no consequences - it would be happening everywhere. Sadly - teachers encourage the "macho" "don't tatter, be a man" attitude to have less work. Hence bullying. Imagine if judges did that :) "So he stole your book, so what, be a man, deal with it yourself". "I don't care who beat whom - just shake hands and leave me be"
- Brian_K_White 4y ago
  Adults created the school environment and place the kids in it, and perpetuate it, and all knowingly. I don't think you can separate adults from the awfulness of school, including the awfulness of kids toward kids, because school isn't a Lord of the Flies situation where the setting happened by itself, and the ongoing proceedings happen without witness and active maintainance. Ask any teacher or admin and they may say "this system has problems", but tomorrow everyone gets up and does all the same stuff, so we are a full participant in this. Me too, even as someone who never had kids. I'm complicit in the sense that even though I went through the process and know how awful it is, now that I'm past that, I'm relieved that this problem and those people (kids) are all kept on some kind of reservation out of my hair. It's really somewhat like packing undesirables away in a compound. Even though I don't have kids, I don't think it would be wrong or unfair to still expect me to have some sort of share in a general collective responsibility (beyond simple taxes) to help raise (and deal with) the young. After all I was one once and could have used a better society, and I still have an interest in it since they are still part of the world I have to inhabit, and are people I will have to deal with. Please don't "If you feel a calling then go work at a school". My point isn't about me or any individual, it's that we all have this vested interest and this responsibility, we've just set things up in such a way that most of us can shirk it without having to face up to that's the essense of what we've done.
Ekaros 4y ago
I think we should bring the full force of the legal system in these cases. And treat the perpetrators extremely harshly. Maybe segregate them from normal system to some separate system with each other.

sgjohnson 4y ago

> The conditions many children and young adults experience at school at the hands of their peers would be cause for firing in a corporate environment and even legal action in the adult world. This isn't really relevant though, because kids are a lot more cruel than adults.

Traubenfuchs 4y ago
Adults are just as cruel, they are merely more aware (or more a subject) of social and legal repercussions.
ajuc 4y ago
Kids are just allowed to get away with it. If adults were allowed to beat others with no consequences - it would be happening everywhere. Sadly - teachers encourage the "macho" "don't tatter, be a man" attitude to have less work. Hence bullying. Imagine if judges did that :) "So he stole your book, so what, be a man, deal with it yourself". "I don't care who beat whom - just shake hands and leave me be"
Brian_K_White 4y ago
Adults created the school environment and place the kids in it, and perpetuate it, and all knowingly. I don't think you can separate adults from the awfulness of school, including the awfulness of kids toward kids, because school isn't a Lord of the Flies situation where the setting happened by itself, and the ongoing proceedings happen without witness and active maintainance. Ask any teacher or admin and they may say "this system has problems", but tomorrow everyone gets up and does all the same stuff, so we are a full participant in this. Me too, even as someone who never had kids. I'm complicit in the sense that even though I went through the process and know how awful it is, now that I'm past that, I'm relieved that this problem and those people (kids) are all kept on some kind of reservation out of my hair. It's really somewhat like packing undesirables away in a compound. Even though I don't have kids, I don't think it would be wrong or unfair to still expect me to have some sort of share in a general collective responsibility (beyond simple taxes) to help raise (and deal with) the young. After all I was one once and could have used a better society, and I still have an interest in it since they are still part of the world I have to inhabit, and are people I will have to deal with. Please don't "If you feel a calling then go work at a school". My point isn't about me or any individual, it's that we all have this vested interest and this responsibility, we've just set things up in such a way that most of us can shirk it without having to face up to that's the essense of what we've done.

Ekaros 4y ago

I think we should bring the full force of the legal system in these cases. And treat the perpetrators extremely harshly. Maybe segregate them from normal system to some separate system with each other.