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Women that dedicate their careers to chess still dramatically underperform men at the professional level. There is even a different rating level and title syste

Women that dedicate their careers to chess still dramatically underperform men at the professional level. There is even a different rating level and title system for women: women earning the "women grandmaster" title need 200 fewer ELO points than the grandmaster title for men. No woman has ever won the World Chess Championship, and there are far fewer female GMs than male GMs.

dudeinjapan 4y ago
How do women and men do versus AI opponents, i.e. without any gender? Wonder if chess.com has the data?
- Invictus0 4y ago
  Badly? AI is vastly superior to human capability, no human wins
- icelancer 4y ago
  We all get slaughtered. It's possible Magnus could make one draw with white against a not-current Stockfish on limited depth out of a hundred games, but that would be about the best any of us could do.
  - zamadatix 4y ago
    Chess engines support the concept of skill level. Pretty much any chess program or app supports this out of the box, such as the aforementioned chess.com. The only times they are run unhindered are for analysis, engine testing, or fun.
epivosism 4y ago
There's a very interesting point in the thread below which would resolve the question - we could use chess puzzles! If there is a mismatch between performance on puzzles with live results, it would be pretty solid proof that the effect is real. It doesn't have to be full on AI.
icelancer 4y ago
Some women (Polgar for example) have argued the separate womens' titles significantly contribute to the gap in skill.
lelanthran 4y ago
I've always wondered about this, actually. With almost all sports males have a dramatic physical advantage[1] so it's not really fair to have males compete with females. With chess there is no physical advantage, so why keep separate tournaments for males and females? What is the reasoning for preventing males and females competing in chess? [1] In the 90s, ISTR reading about a tennis match between a #3-rank female player against a #5000-something-ranked male, and the male player simply dominated. I wish I could find that article now, but it was a print mag and I don't remember which one it was.

dudeinjapan 4y ago

How do women and men do versus AI opponents, i.e. without any gender? Wonder if chess.com has the data?

Invictus0 4y ago
Badly? AI is vastly superior to human capability, no human wins
icelancer 4y ago
We all get slaughtered. It's possible Magnus could make one draw with white against a not-current Stockfish on limited depth out of a hundred games, but that would be about the best any of us could do.
- zamadatix 4y ago
  Chess engines support the concept of skill level. Pretty much any chess program or app supports this out of the box, such as the aforementioned chess.com. The only times they are run unhindered are for analysis, engine testing, or fun.

epivosism 4y ago

There's a very interesting point in the thread below which would resolve the question - we could use chess puzzles! If there is a mismatch between performance on puzzles with live results, it would be pretty solid proof that the effect is real. It doesn't have to be full on AI.

icelancer 4y ago

Some women (Polgar for example) have argued the separate womens' titles significantly contribute to the gap in skill.

lelanthran 4y ago

I've always wondered about this, actually. With almost all sports males have a dramatic physical advantage[1] so it's not really fair to have males compete with females. With chess there is no physical advantage, so why keep separate tournaments for males and females? What is the reasoning for preventing males and females competing in chess? [1] In the 90s, ISTR reading about a tennis match between a #3-rank female player against a #5000-something-ranked male, and the male player simply dominated. I wish I could find that article now, but it was a print mag and I don't remember which one it was.