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This is a somewhat weird: do you judge Sony headphones by how good Sony cameras are, too? Or Samsung phones on how good their TVs are? Because how good a Casio

This is a somewhat weird: do you judge Sony headphones by how good Sony cameras are, too? Or Samsung phones on how good their TVs are? Because how good a Casio calculator or rice cooker is, is entirely independent of how good their watches are? This seems to be backwards: you judge a brand based on how all its products perform, and if the balance tips towards "most are shit" then it's a shit brand. A brand making lots of things and only one shit (type of) thing, then it's "they're great! Except for their X, don't buy those".

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
Well.. yeah. If you bough a samsung phone, and it was full of shitty adware and preinstalled apps, would you expect their tablets, smart tvs and fridges to be any different? And are they?
- TheRealPomax 4y ago
  Yes? And yes? You're asking this like it's a bizarre thing to do, but that's how you think about consumer goods as adult: if you dismiss an entire brand conglomerate because of a single product line, that's an incredibly weird way to think about products. If Samsung phones are bad, don't buy (another) Samsung phone. But when you need a dish washer, and reviews say that Samsung's is the best bang for your buck, their adware-laden phone has literally nothing to do with the decision to buy the Samsung dish washer. They are completely different products, made by completely different factories with completely different QA processes, and completely different target demographics. Don't judge brands, judge product lines by brands. Because quite often, the people making one thing have nothing to do with people making another thing, they're completely separate "we can't call them companies on paper but in practice that's exactly what they are", and the owning brand itself has barely anything to do with the products they make, unless it's their major brand-recognition product.
  - moistly 4y ago
    I just want to note here that Samsung refrigerators and dishwashers are absolute shit and should be avoided like the plague. Also, their stoves are pretty crap, too, with a self-clean option that destroys the motherboard and blowers. You'll have a hard time convincing me that their design and manufacturing issues are not endemic across their entire company. Fish rots from the head, etc.
    - TheRealPomax 4y ago
      Much like the other commenter: yep, Samsung's not a good company, making it all the more appropriate to use as example for "judge the company on all its products, not just one".
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    But if samsung put ads and bloatware on their phones... won't they put them on TVs too? Oh wait, they do: https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/co5aw4/unremovable_ads_on_my_2500_samsung_smart_tv/ https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/co5aw4/unrem... What about on smart fridges? Oh wait.. they do that too: https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/yr80x3/my_smart_fridge_had_a_software_update_and_i/ https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/yr80x3/my_smar...
    - TheRealPomax 4y ago
      Good: you did your research and discovered that Samsung's a mostly shit company. We already knew this of course, that was the whole point of using Samsung as example for "do your homework first, then judge the company".
bowsamic 4y ago
I personally would, yes
herbst 4y ago
Samsung is the perfect example actually. Their TVs ship with a weird Android that breaks half of the Vanilla Android features. So do their Phones and Watches. Recently I got a new dishwasher and wasn't surprised to read that the controls of Samsung dishwashers can be somewhat weird and quality is questionable as well.
- TheRealPomax 4y ago
  Yes, that was the point of using Samsung as example: judge the brand on all their products. Samsung is a terrible company, because all their products are pretty terrible. Not because "their phones are".

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

Well.. yeah. If you bough a samsung phone, and it was full of shitty adware and preinstalled apps, would you expect their tablets, smart tvs and fridges to be any different? And are they?

TheRealPomax 4y ago
Yes? And yes? You're asking this like it's a bizarre thing to do, but that's how you think about consumer goods as adult: if you dismiss an entire brand conglomerate because of a single product line, that's an incredibly weird way to think about products. If Samsung phones are bad, don't buy (another) Samsung phone. But when you need a dish washer, and reviews say that Samsung's is the best bang for your buck, their adware-laden phone has literally nothing to do with the decision to buy the Samsung dish washer. They are completely different products, made by completely different factories with completely different QA processes, and completely different target demographics. Don't judge brands, judge product lines by brands. Because quite often, the people making one thing have nothing to do with people making another thing, they're completely separate "we can't call them companies on paper but in practice that's exactly what they are", and the owning brand itself has barely anything to do with the products they make, unless it's their major brand-recognition product.
- moistly 4y ago
  I just want to note here that Samsung refrigerators and dishwashers are absolute shit and should be avoided like the plague. Also, their stoves are pretty crap, too, with a self-clean option that destroys the motherboard and blowers. You'll have a hard time convincing me that their design and manufacturing issues are not endemic across their entire company. Fish rots from the head, etc.
  - TheRealPomax 4y ago
    Much like the other commenter: yep, Samsung's not a good company, making it all the more appropriate to use as example for "judge the company on all its products, not just one".
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  But if samsung put ads and bloatware on their phones... won't they put them on TVs too? Oh wait, they do: https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/co5aw4/unremovable_ads_on_my_2500_samsung_smart_tv/ https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/co5aw4/unrem... What about on smart fridges? Oh wait.. they do that too: https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/yr80x3/my_smart_fridge_had_a_software_update_and_i/ https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/yr80x3/my_smar...
  - TheRealPomax 4y ago
    Good: you did your research and discovered that Samsung's a mostly shit company. We already knew this of course, that was the whole point of using Samsung as example for "do your homework first, then judge the company".

bowsamic 4y ago

I personally would, yes

herbst 4y ago

Samsung is the perfect example actually. Their TVs ship with a weird Android that breaks half of the Vanilla Android features. So do their Phones and Watches. Recently I got a new dishwasher and wasn't surprised to read that the controls of Samsung dishwashers can be somewhat weird and quality is questionable as well.

TheRealPomax 4y ago
Yes, that was the point of using Samsung as example: judge the brand on all their products. Samsung is a terrible company, because all their products are pretty terrible. Not because "their phones are".