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I don't really understand your comment about avoiding Seiko (and yes as a Seiko collector I'm a bit triggered). In my experience Seiko makes absolutely great q

I don't really understand your comment about avoiding Seiko (and yes as a Seiko collector I'm a bit triggered). In my experience Seiko makes absolutely great quality watches still with maybe the only issues generally being the occasional misaligned chapter ring though I pretty much only collect Seiko mechanical watches so maybe the situation is different with their quartz watches. Citizen also makes some particularly interesting quartz watches the Chronomaster series (which is a Japanese domestic market exclusive) has one of the most reliable watch movements ever with a rating of +/-5 seconds a YEAR.

dougSF70 4y ago
Seiko 5 automatic movement is on a par with the Rolex automatic movement according to my friend who is an official Rolex repairer.
- jimmyjazz14 4y ago
  They are often quite similar in design though I'm guessing the Rolex uses quite a bit higher quality materials.
- aidenn0 4y ago
  Quality of Seiko 5 is pretty good, but IIRC the Rolex movement is more compact.
- lmz 4y ago
  Well they're both Automatic mobements with a Swiss lever escapement design, but the Rolex is finished better and has better balance adjustment (free-sprung balance). It is also factory adjusted as opposed to the Seiko 5 movement.
mickael-kerjean 4y ago
I'm in the same boat, won't ever touch a seiko and refuse to do so for for 2 main reasons: 1. They have the gut of naming their watch "save the ocean" and doing things with PADI when the country they operate in is involved in commercial whaling, still go on fishing species of tuna that are on the verge of extinction or throw sharks back in water still alive after removing their fins just to make some soup. That's appalling, if North Korea would make a watch called "human right" we'd all laught and move on but, I'm not to support a company that make "dive watch" pretending to care about the ocean and not saying/doing anything toward what's actually happening in the country they operate in. 2. I'm a yema fan boy and seiko used to own yema in the 90s. Under their stewardship, they introduced plastic to hold the movement in place instead of the previous metal piece and did change the case onto a cheap low cost copy of what was available before and removed the original hands by some mercedes hands, copying everything Rolex was doing in a cheap package. That period in Yema's history was terrible, hopefully they ended up selling the brand after a few years but boy how did they make a mess
- jimmyjazz14 4y ago
  Well I don't know that Seiko has been directly involved in whaling in any way and some of the proceeds from the "save the ocean" line are given to divers that work to remove marine debris so that seems like a really odd connection to make.

dougSF70 4y ago

Seiko 5 automatic movement is on a par with the Rolex automatic movement according to my friend who is an official Rolex repairer.

jimmyjazz14 4y ago
They are often quite similar in design though I'm guessing the Rolex uses quite a bit higher quality materials.
aidenn0 4y ago
Quality of Seiko 5 is pretty good, but IIRC the Rolex movement is more compact.
lmz 4y ago
Well they're both Automatic mobements with a Swiss lever escapement design, but the Rolex is finished better and has better balance adjustment (free-sprung balance). It is also factory adjusted as opposed to the Seiko 5 movement.

mickael-kerjean 4y ago

I'm in the same boat, won't ever touch a seiko and refuse to do so for for 2 main reasons: 1. They have the gut of naming their watch "save the ocean" and doing things with PADI when the country they operate in is involved in commercial whaling, still go on fishing species of tuna that are on the verge of extinction or throw sharks back in water still alive after removing their fins just to make some soup. That's appalling, if North Korea would make a watch called "human right" we'd all laught and move on but, I'm not to support a company that make "dive watch" pretending to care about the ocean and not saying/doing anything toward what's actually happening in the country they operate in. 2. I'm a yema fan boy and seiko used to own yema in the 90s. Under their stewardship, they introduced plastic to hold the movement in place instead of the previous metal piece and did change the case onto a cheap low cost copy of what was available before and removed the original hands by some mercedes hands, copying everything Rolex was doing in a cheap package. That period in Yema's history was terrible, hopefully they ended up selling the brand after a few years but boy how did they make a mess

jimmyjazz14 4y ago
Well I don't know that Seiko has been directly involved in whaling in any way and some of the proceeds from the "save the ocean" line are given to divers that work to remove marine debris so that seems like a really odd connection to make.