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Any large company that breaks laws get away with fines. However, individuals and small businesses do not have that luxury.

dragonwriter 4y ago
Yes, individuals and small businesses that break this law get fines, too.
- tw98521358 4y ago
  The amount is the same though so for large companies it’s just a minor inconvenience
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    NLRB Act remedies are basically make-whole remedies to the adversely impacted employees. So, yes, small and medium sized companies that harm the same number of employees in the same way as a large company get the same consequences.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  I took Raincom to mean that when individuals and small businesses screw up (not necessarily on this particular issue), the cash flow impact of fines or legal processings is much more severe. Corporate losses are distributed across shareholders and unless the offense is truly egregious the impact on the career growth or fiscal situation of the company's officers tends to be minimal or even non-existent.
- TheCoelacanth 4y ago
  Yes, and stealing bread and sleeping under bridges is illegal for both the rich and the poor. It's completely fair.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    So, are you saying small businesses shouldn’t be required to make employees whole for harms of the illegal labor practices the business undertakes? Because that’s the only consequence NLRB imposes.
NickC25 4y ago
Sad thing is, the fines aren't really harmful at this scale. Any company large enough will just count this as OpEx and in some cases be able to write it off their taxes. I have nothing against Tesla as a company, love their cars, and want nothing more than for them (as well as EVs in general) to become even more mainstream. But we as a society have enabled corporations to behave like this and let them get away with crap time and time again only to be hit with fines that add up to a day or two's profits. This has to change.
- germinalphrase 4y ago
  This won’t happen until our political class more accurately represents the class and wealth status of average Americans. Until that time, they will continue to be more responsive to the needs of those most similar to themselves.
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- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Sad thing is, the fines aren't really harmful at this scale Technically, they aren’t even fines; there was recently an attempt to pass amendments the NLRB Act which would have allowed fines (IIRC, up to $100,000 per affected employee if wrongful termination was involved, $50,000 otherwise) but it didn’t pass, so all NLRB can do is order make-whole remedies for affected employees.
option 4y ago
Vinod Khosla is famously ignoring court and violating CA constitution by restricting beach access. He can just afford to pay fines. [1] https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-blog/entry/us-supreme-court-finalizes-win-for-martins-beach-access https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-blog/entry/us-supreme-cour...
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Turnabout is fair play; there's no reason for others to respect his (falsely alleged) rights in such a situation.

dragonwriter 4y ago

Yes, individuals and small businesses that break this law get fines, too.

tw98521358 4y ago
The amount is the same though so for large companies it’s just a minor inconvenience
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  NLRB Act remedies are basically make-whole remedies to the adversely impacted employees. So, yes, small and medium sized companies that harm the same number of employees in the same way as a large company get the same consequences.
anigbrowl 4y ago
I took Raincom to mean that when individuals and small businesses screw up (not necessarily on this particular issue), the cash flow impact of fines or legal processings is much more severe. Corporate losses are distributed across shareholders and unless the offense is truly egregious the impact on the career growth or fiscal situation of the company's officers tends to be minimal or even non-existent.
TheCoelacanth 4y ago
Yes, and stealing bread and sleeping under bridges is illegal for both the rich and the poor. It's completely fair.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  So, are you saying small businesses shouldn’t be required to make employees whole for harms of the illegal labor practices the business undertakes? Because that’s the only consequence NLRB imposes.

NickC25 4y ago

Sad thing is, the fines aren't really harmful at this scale. Any company large enough will just count this as OpEx and in some cases be able to write it off their taxes. I have nothing against Tesla as a company, love their cars, and want nothing more than for them (as well as EVs in general) to become even more mainstream. But we as a society have enabled corporations to behave like this and let them get away with crap time and time again only to be hit with fines that add up to a day or two's profits. This has to change.

germinalphrase 4y ago
This won’t happen until our political class more accurately represents the class and wealth status of average Americans. Until that time, they will continue to be more responsive to the needs of those most similar to themselves.
- deleted 4y ago
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dragonwriter 4y ago
> Sad thing is, the fines aren't really harmful at this scale Technically, they aren’t even fines; there was recently an attempt to pass amendments the NLRB Act which would have allowed fines (IIRC, up to $100,000 per affected employee if wrongful termination was involved, $50,000 otherwise) but it didn’t pass, so all NLRB can do is order make-whole remedies for affected employees.

option 4y ago

Vinod Khosla is famously ignoring court and violating CA constitution by restricting beach access. He can just afford to pay fines. [1] https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-blog/entry/us-supreme-court-finalizes-win-for-martins-beach-access https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-blog/entry/us-supreme-cour...

anigbrowl 4y ago
Turnabout is fair play; there's no reason for others to respect his (falsely alleged) rights in such a situation.