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> Can we maybe focus on the technology and not ideology? It's not ideology to see that applying certain inventions in particular domains will bring more negati

by sobkas 4y ago

> Can we maybe focus on the technology and not ideology? It's not ideology to see that applying certain inventions in particular domains will bring more negative consequences than in the others. Even if former are more lucrative than later. It's ideology to follow hyper-capitalistic approach and pretend that only profit matters.

Invictus0 4y ago
This debate is as old as technology itself, and yet the naïve persist. Technological progress is inevitable and its application to war is also inevitable. All the amazing AI innovations, developed under the guise of AI-safety, are being used in surveillance cameras and weapons. And if the West doesn't develop the capability, then someone else will.
- georgeg23 4y ago
  We all live on the same sphere, there is no West anymore. There is now more ideological similarity between NYC and Shanghai than there is between NYC and rural America.
  - dotnet00 4y ago
    That's one hell of a stretch, you're essentially suggesting that the average New Yorker wouldn't be just as up in arms as much of rural America if a Chinese style sham democracy was instituted in the US.
    - kidme5 4y ago
      Willingness to get vaccines and wear masks made New Yorkers look Chinese. Honestly I think when human population centers get dense and connected enough they are essentially the same. Economic ties and shared needs and values are ultimately more significant than the 6% of the population in government (e.g., Chinese CCP). The CCP is on their way out anyway and not a true threat.
      - astrange 4y ago
        Don’t know what you think Chinese people do, but their vaccine compliance isn’t very good (and neither is their vaccine) which is currently causing them problems. CCP on the other hand isn’t going anywhere.
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  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > now more ideological similarity between NYC and Shanghai than there is between NYC and rural America What are you basing this on? I live in New York and Wyoming (both the more urban part and deep, red and ranching rural). I’ve been to Shanghai, and work with folks there. American culture is adversarial, but it runs deep in unsaid ways.

by sobkas 4y ago

Invictus0 4y ago

This debate is as old as technology itself, and yet the naïve persist. Technological progress is inevitable and its application to war is also inevitable. All the amazing AI innovations, developed under the guise of AI-safety, are being used in surveillance cameras and weapons. And if the West doesn't develop the capability, then someone else will.

georgeg23 4y ago
We all live on the same sphere, there is no West anymore. There is now more ideological similarity between NYC and Shanghai than there is between NYC and rural America.
- dotnet00 4y ago
  That's one hell of a stretch, you're essentially suggesting that the average New Yorker wouldn't be just as up in arms as much of rural America if a Chinese style sham democracy was instituted in the US.
  - kidme5 4y ago
    Willingness to get vaccines and wear masks made New Yorkers look Chinese. Honestly I think when human population centers get dense and connected enough they are essentially the same. Economic ties and shared needs and values are ultimately more significant than the 6% of the population in government (e.g., Chinese CCP). The CCP is on their way out anyway and not a true threat.
    - astrange 4y ago
      Don’t know what you think Chinese people do, but their vaccine compliance isn’t very good (and neither is their vaccine) which is currently causing them problems. CCP on the other hand isn’t going anywhere.
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- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > now more ideological similarity between NYC and Shanghai than there is between NYC and rural America What are you basing this on? I live in New York and Wyoming (both the more urban part and deep, red and ranching rural). I’ve been to Shanghai, and work with folks there. American culture is adversarial, but it runs deep in unsaid ways.