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Brazil's politics continue to be a mess. Lula, the newly elect president, was formerly convicted for corruption and then had the supreme court set aside his con

Brazil's politics continue to be a mess. Lula, the newly elect president, was formerly convicted for corruption and then had the supreme court set aside his conviction. Bolsonaro has also committed multiple crimes and tried to the Trump election denial-ism tactics. I feel for the folks who live under these people.

bjourne 4y ago
Since the Brazilian judiciary cleared Lula of any wrong-doing how do you know that he is guilty of corruption?
- d_e_solomon 4y ago
  It was vacated on a technicality, not a matter of fact.
  - bjourne 4y ago
    You are implying that the decision to free Lula was politically motivated. How can you then be sure that the decision to charge Lula was not politically motivated?
  - zozbot234 4y ago
    So what? No matter what "side" happens to be in charge at any given time, sane people would never want to live in a country where serious concerns of due process could be dismissed as a "mere technicality". That's just a recipe for show trials.
    - d_e_solomon 4y ago
      So what? I didn't say he should go to jail or that the verdict should have been vacated... but I wouldn't have a lot of faith in the political process if a major political figure most likely only survived a criminal trial because of a due process issue.
matheusmoreira 4y ago
> I feel for the folks who live under these people. Last year, 50% of my country literally begged the armed forces for a military dictatorship so they wouldn't have to live under these corrupt politicians again. They spent over two months protesting. Today is an extremely sad day for them.
- hashtag-til 4y ago
  You really need to review your maths here. 50% here would mean 112 million people, which is nowhere near the few thousands of old-folks protesting in front of army sites.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    Leave me alone.
    - the_only_law 4y ago
      Wow you really are arrogant. Going around engaging in and instigating arguments and then telling people to “leave you alone” when you get caught with your pants down like some defeated child.
      - hashtag-til 4y ago
        [flagged]
      - matheusmoreira 4y ago
        Instigating arguments? I was merely expressing empathy towards the sentiment expressed in the post I quoted: "I feel for the folks who live under these people." Then the same guy who's replying to all of my posts on this thread showed up, and then you. Frankly I don't want to argue with you either. Don't reply to me again.
        the_only_law 4y ago

bjourne 4y ago

Since the Brazilian judiciary cleared Lula of any wrong-doing how do you know that he is guilty of corruption?

d_e_solomon 4y ago
It was vacated on a technicality, not a matter of fact.
- bjourne 4y ago
  You are implying that the decision to free Lula was politically motivated. How can you then be sure that the decision to charge Lula was not politically motivated?
- zozbot234 4y ago
  So what? No matter what "side" happens to be in charge at any given time, sane people would never want to live in a country where serious concerns of due process could be dismissed as a "mere technicality". That's just a recipe for show trials.
  - d_e_solomon 4y ago
    So what? I didn't say he should go to jail or that the verdict should have been vacated... but I wouldn't have a lot of faith in the political process if a major political figure most likely only survived a criminal trial because of a due process issue.

matheusmoreira 4y ago

> I feel for the folks who live under these people. Last year, 50% of my country literally begged the armed forces for a military dictatorship so they wouldn't have to live under these corrupt politicians again. They spent over two months protesting. Today is an extremely sad day for them.

hashtag-til 4y ago
You really need to review your maths here. 50% here would mean 112 million people, which is nowhere near the few thousands of old-folks protesting in front of army sites.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  Leave me alone.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    Wow you really are arrogant. Going around engaging in and instigating arguments and then telling people to “leave you alone” when you get caught with your pants down like some defeated child.
    - hashtag-til 4y ago
      [flagged]
    - matheusmoreira 4y ago
      Instigating arguments? I was merely expressing empathy towards the sentiment expressed in the post I quoted: "I feel for the folks who live under these people." Then the same guy who's replying to all of my posts on this thread showed up, and then you. Frankly I don't want to argue with you either. Don't reply to me again.
      - the_only_law 4y ago