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Will IE7 be the new IE6, or have most of IE7-users already upgraded to IE8 or higher?

by Zirro 15y ago

spydum 15y ago
For what it's worth, I suspect IE8 is going to stand out much more than IE7, which very few people will upgrade to (IE7 doesn't exist for Win7 I don't believe, so as people upgrade to Win7, you will see surge in IE8).
- ufo 15y ago
  IE8 will be the new IE6. IE9+ are the ones that only run on Windows 7.
  - ams6110 15y ago
    But nobody (we hope!) is writing IE specific apps anymore right? This is the whole reason IE6 is still around, because 10 years ago people WERE writing to IE. So I would suspect IE8 will have much less inertia.
    - Zirro 15y ago
      I suspect it will be more about IE8's lack of support for CSS3 (and HTML5), meaning that we will have to keep bothering with various tricks and libraries to (partially) fix these for us.
emehrkay 15y ago
I'm not trying to troll, but is IEN really just IE6? Has 10 caught up to Webkit/Opera/Firefox? One of the main reasons I feel that why IEX will be IE6 is its lack of support for webGL
- Zirro 15y ago
  "Has 10 caught up to Webkit/Opera/Firefox?" In some areas, yes. In some areas, they're even ahead of the competition. Other areas still lack however, WebGL, as you mention is one of them. Sadly, their slow update-cycle means that whatever they release will soon lack the latest features that other browsers support.
  - slowpoke 15y ago
    >In some areas, they're even ahead of the competition. Such as? (Not trying to be rude here, I'm seriously interested)
    - Zirro 15y ago
      They appear to be alone about supporting grid-based layouts, and share experimental support with Webkit for regions, exclusions and shapes. (I'm just going by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28Cascading_Style_Sheets%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%... , I haven't had the time to stay fully up to date on this lately either)
    - mixmastamyk 15y ago
      Hardware acceleration, and a few other minor things.
slowpoke 15y ago
What I actually fear to become the new IE6 is Firefox 3.6 (and 4, to a degree). I've seen and talked to an unholy amount of people who flat out refuse to upgrade to the newest stable release, either because they assume (or have been told) that their add-ons will no longer work[1], or because they - for whatever reason - think the new release modell is bullshit[2]. I've rarely come across a reason that really wasn't just either (sometimes willing) disinformation or flat out bullshit. [1] Which is stupid considering that the overwhelming majority of add-ons need exactly one fix, and that's the version check, which can be disabled with the Compatibility Reporter add-on. [2] And then proceed to switch to Chrome. Oh the irony.
- yxhuvud 15y ago
  Well, there are some specific add ons that doesn't work properly. Tab kit is a great example of this that kept me from upgrading for a long long time.
- melling 15y ago
  FF 3.6 is at 4% and dropping. People simply won't have a choice but to upgrade once market share gets low enough because developers will stop supporting it. Google will probably stop this year. Switch to another browser if you don't like the new FF.
  - drgath 15y ago
    "Google will probably stop this year." I'd assume you are talking about Google search? No they won't. 100% guarantee you Google will still support FF3.6, just like Google does, and always will always support IE6. jQuery, YUI, and all the JS libraries will always support IE6 as well. You should never go to any of these major sites and see JS errors & major rendering flaws in legacy browsers. If you do, that is just careless. The reason I bring it up is because there is a biiiiiiiiig middle-ground of "support", and developers who don't realize this, need to. Legacy users don't need, and shouldn't expect the same experiences, but they still need support. You are still talking about Web browsers here. The Web doesn't have versions.
evo_9 15y ago
IE7 will never be the new IE6 simply because it was tied to Vista, which was the least adopted Windows OS ever.

Will IE7 be the new IE6, or have most of IE7-users already upgraded to IE8 or higher?

by Zirro 15y ago

Will IE7 be the new IE6, or have most of IE7-users already upgraded to IE8 or higher?

For what it's worth, I suspect IE8 is going to stand out much more than IE7, which very few people will upgrade to (IE7 doesn't exist for Win7 I don't believe, so as people upgrade to Win7, you will see surge in IE8).

ufo 15y ago
IE8 will be the new IE6. IE9+ are the ones that only run on Windows 7.
- ams6110 15y ago
  But nobody (we hope!) is writing IE specific apps anymore right? This is the whole reason IE6 is still around, because 10 years ago people WERE writing to IE. So I would suspect IE8 will have much less inertia.
  - Zirro 15y ago
    I suspect it will be more about IE8's lack of support for CSS3 (and HTML5), meaning that we will have to keep bothering with various tricks and libraries to (partially) fix these for us.

emehrkay 15y ago

I'm not trying to troll, but is IEN really just IE6? Has 10 caught up to Webkit/Opera/Firefox? One of the main reasons I feel that why IEX will be IE6 is its lack of support for webGL

Zirro 15y ago
"Has 10 caught up to Webkit/Opera/Firefox?" In some areas, yes. In some areas, they're even ahead of the competition. Other areas still lack however, WebGL, as you mention is one of them. Sadly, their slow update-cycle means that whatever they release will soon lack the latest features that other browsers support.
- slowpoke 15y ago
  >In some areas, they're even ahead of the competition. Such as? (Not trying to be rude here, I'm seriously interested)
  - Zirro 15y ago
    They appear to be alone about supporting grid-based layouts, and share experimental support with Webkit for regions, exclusions and shapes. (I'm just going by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%28Cascading_Style_Sheets%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_%... , I haven't had the time to stay fully up to date on this lately either)
  - mixmastamyk 15y ago
    Hardware acceleration, and a few other minor things.

slowpoke 15y ago

What I actually fear to become the new IE6 is Firefox 3.6 (and 4, to a degree). I've seen and talked to an unholy amount of people who flat out refuse to upgrade to the newest stable release, either because they assume (or have been told) that their add-ons will no longer work[1], or because they - for whatever reason - think the new release modell is bullshit[2]. I've rarely come across a reason that really wasn't just either (sometimes willing) disinformation or flat out bullshit. [1] Which is stupid considering that the overwhelming majority of add-ons need exactly one fix, and that's the version check, which can be disabled with the Compatibility Reporter add-on. [2] And then proceed to switch to Chrome. Oh the irony.

yxhuvud 15y ago
Well, there are some specific add ons that doesn't work properly. Tab kit is a great example of this that kept me from upgrading for a long long time.
melling 15y ago
FF 3.6 is at 4% and dropping. People simply won't have a choice but to upgrade once market share gets low enough because developers will stop supporting it. Google will probably stop this year. Switch to another browser if you don't like the new FF.
- drgath 15y ago
  "Google will probably stop this year." I'd assume you are talking about Google search? No they won't. 100% guarantee you Google will still support FF3.6, just like Google does, and always will always support IE6. jQuery, YUI, and all the JS libraries will always support IE6 as well. You should never go to any of these major sites and see JS errors & major rendering flaws in legacy browsers. If you do, that is just careless. The reason I bring it up is because there is a biiiiiiiiig middle-ground of "support", and developers who don't realize this, need to. Legacy users don't need, and shouldn't expect the same experiences, but they still need support. You are still talking about Web browsers here. The Web doesn't have versions.

evo_9 15y ago

IE7 will never be the new IE6 simply because it was tied to Vista, which was the least adopted Windows OS ever.