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> We're already destroying our only planet with 7 billion people living only 72 years on average. Because we only live a short while, we don't take a long view

by mLuby 4y ago

> We're already destroying our only planet with 7 billion people living only 72 years on average. Because we only live a short while, we don't take a long view and there's a soft cap on society's accumulated wisdom. (In a smaller scale it's like companies losing "institutional knowledge" when employees leave.) People would act differently if they knew they'd be around for 700y instead of 70. > That's what we thought would happen [with the Internet], but look at what we actually did You're not seriously suggesting humanity is better without the Internet…

mannykannot 4y ago
> You're not seriously suggesting humanity is better without the Internet… I cannot speak for karaterobot, but that seems to be an unwarranted inference from the post you are replying to, which merely points out that the internet did not lead to the more cooperative and altruistic world that some idealists predicted. You posit that humanity would step up to the challenges of a ten-fold increase in longevity, but I haven't seen what I would regard as persuasive evidence for that view. The fact that the internet has been a net benefit (a view I accept) is not that evidence, IMHO.
- mLuby 4y ago
  The argument by analogy, as I understood it, was the following. Internet idealism : Internet negatives¹ :: longevity idealism : longevity negatives² ¹flaming & porn ²scarcity & overpopulation In the context of a discussion about whether or not to undertake a societal change (widespread longevity), bringing up an example of a prior societal change (The Internet) where the result didn't live up to the ideal is more likely than not an argument against making the change in favor of maintaining the status quo (killing statistical 72 year-olds).
  - mannykannot 4y ago
    Statistical 72 year-olds? What are they? And the status quo is that they are killed? You appear to be inventing some bizarre argument that has not even been mentioned up to now.

by mLuby 4y ago

mannykannot 4y ago

> You're not seriously suggesting humanity is better without the Internet… I cannot speak for karaterobot, but that seems to be an unwarranted inference from the post you are replying to, which merely points out that the internet did not lead to the more cooperative and altruistic world that some idealists predicted. You posit that humanity would step up to the challenges of a ten-fold increase in longevity, but I haven't seen what I would regard as persuasive evidence for that view. The fact that the internet has been a net benefit (a view I accept) is not that evidence, IMHO.

mLuby 4y ago
The argument by analogy, as I understood it, was the following. Internet idealism : Internet negatives¹ :: longevity idealism : longevity negatives² ¹flaming & porn ²scarcity & overpopulation In the context of a discussion about whether or not to undertake a societal change (widespread longevity), bringing up an example of a prior societal change (The Internet) where the result didn't live up to the ideal is more likely than not an argument against making the change in favor of maintaining the status quo (killing statistical 72 year-olds).
- mannykannot 4y ago
  Statistical 72 year-olds? What are they? And the status quo is that they are killed? You appear to be inventing some bizarre argument that has not even been mentioned up to now.