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Reputation matters.

gorbachev 4y ago
I wonder if any commercial real estate company would rent Twitter anything at this point. It's pretty clear Musk intends to save money by f*cking others. Might as well go 100% remote.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  They will in Texas, FL, or TN which is most likely where the company will be moved to
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    It’s probably optimistic to assume that whatever engineers are left at Twitter will willingly relocate to Tennessee. Unless you mean that he’ll gut the company entirely and start anew in one of those states?
    - nunez 4y ago
      There are a lot of great engineers in TN who would gladly work at Twitter while getting that SFBA paycheck Actually Twitter moving to Nashville or Memphis could be the greatest thing to happen to these cities (Memphis more than TN)...if they make it
      - woodruffw 4y ago
        I agree that plenty of devs in TN would happily take an SFBA paycheck without moving. But why in the world would any company, much less Musk’s Twitter, offer such a massively out of band salary? The entire point of moving to states like TN is to pay less for developers, not the same amount.
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        phpisthebest 4y ago
        >>The entire point of moving to states like TN is to pay less for developers, that is a consideration, but I would not even put that in the top 10 reasons to move out of SF, or CA. Hell he could have to pay devs MORE than in SF and it will still be a good business choice to get the hell away from there
        woodruffw 4y ago
        I'm not a Californian and I don't particularly want to live in the Bay Area, but I don't understand this reasoning: it doesn't matter how many reasons there are to leave a particular state (of which there are always plenty) if the single biggest reason to stay remains in place. Specifically: the people who live in the SFBA live there because they want to live there, especially if they're still there after the last 3 years. Unless we're speculating that Musk plans to gut the entire company, it's very hard to sell hundreds of people on relocating across the country.
        Tiktaalik 4y ago
        Yea companies have trouble luring talent from the city just a short hop into near suburbs, let alone across the country.
        pas 4y ago
        Isn't that the assumption? Musk will just hire bootcamp grads and whoever sends him a funny meme, and that's it. It seems there's a sufficiently sized core team left even after all the resignations and firings. He keeps those for a while. They vet and train the new guys and gals. As long as the site is operational it'll be fine because of the network effects. (Mastodon is great but not really a threat. At least not yet. And maybe never.)
        rchaud 4y ago
        Musk's vendors aren't even getting SFBA paycheques, why would he offer CA comp for TN-based staff?
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  I would but it'd be like Trumps lawyers: Cash up front only.
- gitfan86 4y ago
  Real Estate is a sketchy business. Musk is not going to stand out as an especially bad tenant. And if you dig into the history of these landlords you shouldn't be surprised to find out they have also fucked people over
  - rchaud 4y ago
    Quite remarkable levels of whataboutery here. So a generalization like "landlords bad" makes it OK for a business not paying their rent?
    - gitfan86 4y ago
      Is it "OK" that NBA players commit fouls on each other? Shouldn't they be honorable and just play the ball?
- DoesntMatter22 4y ago
  They are desperate for any rent. Landlords for commercial property are getting killed. People are really losing their minds over this but this isn't a big deal.
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    It is funny to watch the deck chairs getting furiously rearranged. They're really trying to push back-to-the-office to refill all those vacancies, but at the same time companies that are cost-conscious are going to be realizing that if they can cut their rents then they can maintain staff and operations ahead of their competitors. Once the recession hits, every company is likely to bolt back to remote work and ditch their rents because it is all pure overhead for only the purpose of bosses being able to observe butts in seats.
CottonMcKnight 4y ago
The Trump Organization got away with doing this in New York for decades. He'd stiff one real estate developer figuring there was always another who would be star-struck by the "opportunity" to work with him. (He was right.)
- 93po 4y ago
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rchaud 4y ago
Increasingly less so, it seems. After all, the guy that turned stiffing vendors into an art form and lying about his taxes didn't just become POTUS, but pulled in more votes than any other president (besides the sitting one).

Reputation matters.

I wonder if any commercial real estate company would rent Twitter anything at this point. It's pretty clear Musk intends to save money by f*cking others. Might as well go 100% remote.

phpisthebest 4y ago
They will in Texas, FL, or TN which is most likely where the company will be moved to
- woodruffw 4y ago
  It’s probably optimistic to assume that whatever engineers are left at Twitter will willingly relocate to Tennessee. Unless you mean that he’ll gut the company entirely and start anew in one of those states?
  - nunez 4y ago
    There are a lot of great engineers in TN who would gladly work at Twitter while getting that SFBA paycheck Actually Twitter moving to Nashville or Memphis could be the greatest thing to happen to these cities (Memphis more than TN)...if they make it
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      I agree that plenty of devs in TN would happily take an SFBA paycheck without moving. But why in the world would any company, much less Musk’s Twitter, offer such a massively out of band salary? The entire point of moving to states like TN is to pay less for developers, not the same amount.
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      - phpisthebest 4y ago
        >>The entire point of moving to states like TN is to pay less for developers, that is a consideration, but I would not even put that in the top 10 reasons to move out of SF, or CA. Hell he could have to pay devs MORE than in SF and it will still be a good business choice to get the hell away from there
        woodruffw 4y ago
        I'm not a Californian and I don't particularly want to live in the Bay Area, but I don't understand this reasoning: it doesn't matter how many reasons there are to leave a particular state (of which there are always plenty) if the single biggest reason to stay remains in place. Specifically: the people who live in the SFBA live there because they want to live there, especially if they're still there after the last 3 years. Unless we're speculating that Musk plans to gut the entire company, it's very hard to sell hundreds of people on relocating across the country.
        Tiktaalik 4y ago
        Yea companies have trouble luring talent from the city just a short hop into near suburbs, let alone across the country.
        pas 4y ago
        Isn't that the assumption? Musk will just hire bootcamp grads and whoever sends him a funny meme, and that's it. It seems there's a sufficiently sized core team left even after all the resignations and firings. He keeps those for a while. They vet and train the new guys and gals. As long as the site is operational it'll be fine because of the network effects. (Mastodon is great but not really a threat. At least not yet. And maybe never.)
      - rchaud 4y ago
        Musk's vendors aren't even getting SFBA paycheques, why would he offer CA comp for TN-based staff?
MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
I would but it'd be like Trumps lawyers: Cash up front only.
gitfan86 4y ago
Real Estate is a sketchy business. Musk is not going to stand out as an especially bad tenant. And if you dig into the history of these landlords you shouldn't be surprised to find out they have also fucked people over
- rchaud 4y ago
  Quite remarkable levels of whataboutery here. So a generalization like "landlords bad" makes it OK for a business not paying their rent?
  - gitfan86 4y ago
    Is it "OK" that NBA players commit fouls on each other? Shouldn't they be honorable and just play the ball?
DoesntMatter22 4y ago
They are desperate for any rent. Landlords for commercial property are getting killed. People are really losing their minds over this but this isn't a big deal.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  It is funny to watch the deck chairs getting furiously rearranged. They're really trying to push back-to-the-office to refill all those vacancies, but at the same time companies that are cost-conscious are going to be realizing that if they can cut their rents then they can maintain staff and operations ahead of their competitors. Once the recession hits, every company is likely to bolt back to remote work and ditch their rents because it is all pure overhead for only the purpose of bosses being able to observe butts in seats.

CottonMcKnight 4y ago

The Trump Organization got away with doing this in New York for decades. He'd stiff one real estate developer figuring there was always another who would be star-struck by the "opportunity" to work with him. (He was right.)

93po 4y ago
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rchaud 4y ago

Increasingly less so, it seems. After all, the guy that turned stiffing vendors into an art form and lying about his taxes didn't just become POTUS, but pulled in more votes than any other president (besides the sitting one).