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> Mostly, the negativity just writes off ambitious people. Though it might make sense given your org, like others, might just have the same reward problems. Or

> Mostly, the negativity just writes off ambitious people. Though it might make sense given your org, like others, might just have the same reward problems. Or the person has unreasonable expectations. On top of that, they are bad at selecting a job that will make them happy. In any case, I would not hire then either. Maybe if I just had some boring app that needed some maintenance I would hire them, but that is not what I do.

ownagefool 4y ago
Fair comment. It depends what you think of the market. I'm in the UK. My summary of the British market is most devs are earning $50,000 - $100,000, with a few tier 2 and even less tier 3 companies, that don't actually offer SV level RSUs. Basically there's not a lot of spots to "guess right". Historically there's a large contractor market that's way more lucrative net than anything excep tier 3, of which you can probably count on your fingers. Personally, I try to build better orgs to keep these folks happy, but each to their own. :)
bigwavedave 4y ago
> [snip] On top of that, they are bad at selecting a job that will make them happy. In any case, I would not hire then either. [snip] I'm not sure that's entirely fair to say. If a company makes a few bad hires, are they necessarily bad at selecting candidates that will make them happy? Or is it also that there are other factors, like lack of availability of first-choice candidates, possibly an inexperienced hiring manager, maybe pressure from C-suites to hire a friend of theirs regardless of qualifications, and perhaps the regrettable, but unavoidable, truth that a bad hire is more than likely going to misrepresent themselves and social engineer their way into an offer? Personally, I think it's a little unfair to make the assumption that someone who's switched around a handful of times and/or gives "morale" as a reason for leaving is bad at picking jobs that will make them happy, but I'm just some guy on the internet- I don't really know anything about anything.

ownagefool 4y ago

Fair comment. It depends what you think of the market. I'm in the UK. My summary of the British market is most devs are earning $50,000 - $100,000, with a few tier 2 and even less tier 3 companies, that don't actually offer SV level RSUs. Basically there's not a lot of spots to "guess right". Historically there's a large contractor market that's way more lucrative net than anything excep tier 3, of which you can probably count on your fingers. Personally, I try to build better orgs to keep these folks happy, but each to their own. :)

bigwavedave 4y ago

> [snip] On top of that, they are bad at selecting a job that will make them happy. In any case, I would not hire then either. [snip] I'm not sure that's entirely fair to say. If a company makes a few bad hires, are they necessarily bad at selecting candidates that will make them happy? Or is it also that there are other factors, like lack of availability of first-choice candidates, possibly an inexperienced hiring manager, maybe pressure from C-suites to hire a friend of theirs regardless of qualifications, and perhaps the regrettable, but unavoidable, truth that a bad hire is more than likely going to misrepresent themselves and social engineer their way into an offer? Personally, I think it's a little unfair to make the assumption that someone who's switched around a handful of times and/or gives "morale" as a reason for leaving is bad at picking jobs that will make them happy, but I'm just some guy on the internet- I don't really know anything about anything.