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Speech is also about comfort and venting where echo chambers shine. And those chambers predate the social media. IME even IRL people tend to congregate mostly w

Speech is also about comfort and venting where echo chambers shine. And those chambers predate the social media. IME even IRL people tend to congregate mostly with like minded individuals. And if the congregation turns out to have too many views in contrast to ones own then folks tend to leave.

vorpalhex 4y ago
> even IRL people tend to congregate mostly with like minded individuals Historically, forming these tiny niche communities wasn't possible. Sure you had different social groups but they were geographically limited. You are also stuck to a degree when there is conflict. > if the congregation turns out to have too many views in contrast to ones own then folks tend to leave. Sure and it tends to be moderate people who leave first. Groups become more dogmatic and cultish, more extreme over time as they demoderate.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > Historically, forming these tiny niche communities wasn't possible. Friends?
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    Your friends were your church, schoolmates, etc. You can't pick "People who are X, Y, Z and support only A and B" because the pool of potential friend candidates just wasn't large enough. On Twitter, I can choose to only be friends with conservative libertarian furries who believe in crypto. That doesn't scale to real life.
    - lapcat 4y ago
      > Your friends were your church, schoolmates, etc. You can't pick "People who are X, Y, Z and support only A and B" because the pool of potential friend candidates just wasn't large enough. It seemed to work well enough for me. One thing worth noting is that people who live in the same geographical location already tend to be somewhat like-minded, for obvious reasons. But you seem to be talking about a "perfect match", which is an impossible, unnecessary standard. > On Twitter, I can choose to only be friends with conservative libertarian furries who believe in crypto. You're not friends with people on Twitter. If you think you are, try leaving Twitter, and see how many of your "friends" still talk to you afterward.
mikrotikker 4y ago
I was so baffled years ago by a man on the street series of interviews where people in a Liberal US City were asked if they had any republican friends or if they would be friends with such. Most said no. I also know a US lady who echo's this. Today my YouTube feed is filled with both conservatives and liberals (most of which voted republican)
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  Pardon if I'm just a little slow, yet not sure I follow what you're getting at. If both the urban citizens and YouTubers are liberal, and the latter even (mostly) voted republican, then how are you defining 'liberal'? Or is the distinction that things have changed over the years because YouTube broke geographic bubbles? So now even YT liberals often vote republican?
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
    Sorry, I meant I was baffled at how they refused to have friends from the other side of the political aisle. That's real wacky. From watching political YT for years its clear that the left refuses to engage or discuss with people they disagree with, yet the moderates, republicans are happy to, in fact crave it. It's heartwarming to me to see when someone from the other side will engage. Destiny is a great example but there are a few others, but not enough. It's these discussions where the two sides come together where there is the most information to glean.

vorpalhex 4y ago

> even IRL people tend to congregate mostly with like minded individuals Historically, forming these tiny niche communities wasn't possible. Sure you had different social groups but they were geographically limited. You are also stuck to a degree when there is conflict. > if the congregation turns out to have too many views in contrast to ones own then folks tend to leave. Sure and it tends to be moderate people who leave first. Groups become more dogmatic and cultish, more extreme over time as they demoderate.

lapcat 4y ago
> Historically, forming these tiny niche communities wasn't possible. Friends?
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  Your friends were your church, schoolmates, etc. You can't pick "People who are X, Y, Z and support only A and B" because the pool of potential friend candidates just wasn't large enough. On Twitter, I can choose to only be friends with conservative libertarian furries who believe in crypto. That doesn't scale to real life.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > Your friends were your church, schoolmates, etc. You can't pick "People who are X, Y, Z and support only A and B" because the pool of potential friend candidates just wasn't large enough. It seemed to work well enough for me. One thing worth noting is that people who live in the same geographical location already tend to be somewhat like-minded, for obvious reasons. But you seem to be talking about a "perfect match", which is an impossible, unnecessary standard. > On Twitter, I can choose to only be friends with conservative libertarian furries who believe in crypto. You're not friends with people on Twitter. If you think you are, try leaving Twitter, and see how many of your "friends" still talk to you afterward.

mikrotikker 4y ago

I was so baffled years ago by a man on the street series of interviews where people in a Liberal US City were asked if they had any republican friends or if they would be friends with such. Most said no. I also know a US lady who echo's this. Today my YouTube feed is filled with both conservatives and liberals (most of which voted republican)

paulryanrogers 4y ago
Pardon if I'm just a little slow, yet not sure I follow what you're getting at. If both the urban citizens and YouTubers are liberal, and the latter even (mostly) voted republican, then how are you defining 'liberal'? Or is the distinction that things have changed over the years because YouTube broke geographic bubbles? So now even YT liberals often vote republican?
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  Sorry, I meant I was baffled at how they refused to have friends from the other side of the political aisle. That's real wacky. From watching political YT for years its clear that the left refuses to engage or discuss with people they disagree with, yet the moderates, republicans are happy to, in fact crave it. It's heartwarming to me to see when someone from the other side will engage. Destiny is a great example but there are a few others, but not enough. It's these discussions where the two sides come together where there is the most information to glean.