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>The company wouldn't employ you if you weren't providing them more than you cost them. Yes that's true of course. >It's never been easier to create enough va

>The company wouldn't employ you if you weren't providing them more than you cost them. Yes that's true of course. >It's never been easier to create enough value on your own terms to sustain yourself and not let someone else siphon out your value on their terms Not so sure about that part. Maybe it's easier today but if you mean things like freelancing the problem is that you then have to do lots of stuff that isn't interesting to a lot of technical oriented people (like finding clients, negotiating contracts etc). The advantage of working for a company is that you can concentrate on the things that interest you and leave the rest to others. Sure you'll end up earning less but, in my book at least, its worth it. But nothing says you have to "sarifice yourself" you can work for a company but still have a decent balance to have time for other things.

kodah 4y ago
Speaking for myself, I disagree with OP. I have a price for nights, weekends, and overtime. That price, however, went up beyond the average salary. Second to that, even if they do want to pay that money it needs to be in writing. No amount of lip flapping will get that out of me. I have goals and those goals require money. They either pay, or I do what I'm paid to do. What I'm paid to do is still a good and needed job. From my perspective, workers learned their value.
briHass 4y ago
I feel like the 'capture all the value you provide' type comments come from those who have never run a business or worked independently, or maybe they did and got extremely lucky. For most, it's way more work handling all those tasks you mentioned, in addition to the work you 'are getting paid for'. The stress alone is killer. In our industry, it's hardly serfdom: I have reasonable autonomy, get paid vacation time, and can largely code (my preference) the bulk of the day.
tbrownaw 4y ago
> Sure you'll end up earning less but, in my book at least, its worth it. Will you? I thought going independent had a higher variance but similar or slightly lower median than working for an employer.
smeej 4y ago
There's a big difference still between "easy" and "easier than it ever has been." Rather than having a company with gazillions of layers of management tell me what my options are for everything outside of the work that is my direct responsibility, I can choose which things I care about and how much and pull those levers myself, either doing them or hiring them done.

kodah 4y ago

Speaking for myself, I disagree with OP. I have a price for nights, weekends, and overtime. That price, however, went up beyond the average salary. Second to that, even if they do want to pay that money it needs to be in writing. No amount of lip flapping will get that out of me. I have goals and those goals require money. They either pay, or I do what I'm paid to do. What I'm paid to do is still a good and needed job. From my perspective, workers learned their value.

briHass 4y ago

I feel like the 'capture all the value you provide' type comments come from those who have never run a business or worked independently, or maybe they did and got extremely lucky. For most, it's way more work handling all those tasks you mentioned, in addition to the work you 'are getting paid for'. The stress alone is killer. In our industry, it's hardly serfdom: I have reasonable autonomy, get paid vacation time, and can largely code (my preference) the bulk of the day.

tbrownaw 4y ago

> Sure you'll end up earning less but, in my book at least, its worth it. Will you? I thought going independent had a higher variance but similar or slightly lower median than working for an employer.

smeej 4y ago

There's a big difference still between "easy" and "easier than it ever has been." Rather than having a company with gazillions of layers of management tell me what my options are for everything outside of the work that is my direct responsibility, I can choose which things I care about and how much and pull those levers myself, either doing them or hiring them done.