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So, as you describe, the people who make these very important decisions are two steps away from democracy, the public has no way to hold them responsible for th

So, as you describe, the people who make these very important decisions are two steps away from democracy, the public has no way to hold them responsible for their actions and they are elected in politicized back room deals. In turn, the people that the public gets to vote for are the ‘less powerful’, they are never on the news and it is totally unclear what they are even doing. All that is on the news are the undemocratically chosen people. It’s really not surprising that most people don’t bother voting for the EU and that a lot of them would vote to leave immediately given the chance.

dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
> the people who make these very important decisions are two steps away from democracy What are you talking about? Members of EU member governments are directly elected by citizens, they're the ones making the decisions at the EU. The administrators of the EU elected by governments, but they do no vote on, and have no power over legislation. All voting power comes from members governments, just like they vote for their own national legislation. Give it up, you just have no idea how the EU works.
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  Most people have no idea and give it up, that’s for sure. The people directly elected, the European Parliament, can’t introduce new rules and only get to rubber stamp rules made by others. Meanwhile the rules are introduced by the European Commission which is not directly elected and thus not democratically accountable. Consider the very existence of this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_E... And a choice quote > The German Constitutional Court referred to a "structural democratic deficit" inherent in the construction of the European Union. But the reality is that the undemocracy of the EU shows in the rules it produces. For example a functioning democracy doesn’t get away with wasting hundreds of millions on moving its seat between cities, for no practical reasons. A functioning democracy doesn’t get to push for an end to cash money and a start for monitoring every significant bank transaction, with no pushback from the electorate. And there’s plenty of other rules to choose from.

dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago

> the people who make these very important decisions are two steps away from democracy What are you talking about? Members of EU member governments are directly elected by citizens, they're the ones making the decisions at the EU. The administrators of the EU elected by governments, but they do no vote on, and have no power over legislation. All voting power comes from members governments, just like they vote for their own national legislation. Give it up, you just have no idea how the EU works.

tinus_hn 4y ago
Most people have no idea and give it up, that’s for sure. The people directly elected, the European Parliament, can’t introduce new rules and only get to rubber stamp rules made by others. Meanwhile the rules are introduced by the European Commission which is not directly elected and thus not democratically accountable. Consider the very existence of this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_legitimacy_of_the_E... And a choice quote > The German Constitutional Court referred to a "structural democratic deficit" inherent in the construction of the European Union. But the reality is that the undemocracy of the EU shows in the rules it produces. For example a functioning democracy doesn’t get away with wasting hundreds of millions on moving its seat between cities, for no practical reasons. A functioning democracy doesn’t get to push for an end to cash money and a start for monitoring every significant bank transaction, with no pushback from the electorate. And there’s plenty of other rules to choose from.