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> there are hardly any benefits for anyone joining now unless it's extremely poor country (EU) There's a massive benefit and that's the free movement of goods

> there are hardly any benefits for anyone joining now unless it's extremely poor country (EU) There's a massive benefit and that's the free movement of goods and people. The EU has lifted up both poor countries and made rich ones richer... Ask Poland, CR, SR, the Baltics, etc... what they think of the EU. And France and Germany have also benefitted, both have doubled their GDP since the creation of the EU. > Meanwhile CZK Czech crown is strongest against euro in 11 years, so much for euro being helpful in any way. The CR is in some ways a bit of an outlier - they're very heavy into manufacturing, have been growing very fast plus have had a rather conservative monetary policy.

petodo 4y ago
> The EU has lifted up both poor countries not really truth, all of these poor countries had huge growth prior joining EU and it just continued after joining EU same as it would continue without joining, not thanks to EU, which is wishful thinking of EU proponents, look at Serbia GDP growth for instance, higher than any EU country and even fresh EU members Bulgaria and Romania had huge growth prior joining, same with central Europe, you will have trouble finding poor non EU country without massive growth but yes money wise it's beneficial for poor countries to be net receiver of funds, for well of countries which are around zero contributor/benefactor there are hardly any benefits left
- arcturus17 4y ago
  > look at Serbia GDP growth for instance, higher than any EU country Absolutely false, Ireland has had higher GDP growth, and closer peers like Estonia or Lithuania have had comparable growth rates to Serbia, which is all the more impressive (or underwhelming for Serbia depending on how you look at it), because these peers have much more developed economies (on a GDP per capita PPP basis) and sustaining high growth when you're already developed is harder. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?end=2021&locations=LT-RS-EE-IE&start=2011 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?end=2...
- petre 4y ago
  It's not true. There was massive growth and investments into Eastern Europe after EU admission. Most of Serbia, aoart from Belgrade and Nis is very much like Romania or Southern Bulgaria (Nortwestern Bulgaria is depopulated) in the 2000s. Their infrastructure has also benefited from EU investment programs, despite being alligned with Russia. Also the wine industry in these countries and also in Hungary has seen major growth and huge quality improvements. In fact this industry has been growing in Moldova and North Macedonia as well as a consequence to increased EU exports.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  Serbia GDP per capita is half that of Croatia...
arcturus17 4y ago
> The CR is in some ways a bit of an outlier - they're very heavy into manufacturing Made easier when well over two-thirds of your exports are to EU countries, with zero tariffs. GP then has the nerve to conflate Eurozone membership with EU membership to fit their hazy narrative - the lack of rigor is astounding.
_Tev 4y ago
> have had a rather conservative monetary policy Sure, besides massive money printing 2013-2017. > Ask Poland, CR, SR, the Baltics, etc... what they think of the EU. Considering significant eurosceptic parties (at least in CZ and PL) this might not go as well as you'd hoped.

petodo 4y ago

> The EU has lifted up both poor countries not really truth, all of these poor countries had huge growth prior joining EU and it just continued after joining EU same as it would continue without joining, not thanks to EU, which is wishful thinking of EU proponents, look at Serbia GDP growth for instance, higher than any EU country and even fresh EU members Bulgaria and Romania had huge growth prior joining, same with central Europe, you will have trouble finding poor non EU country without massive growth but yes money wise it's beneficial for poor countries to be net receiver of funds, for well of countries which are around zero contributor/benefactor there are hardly any benefits left

arcturus17 4y ago
> look at Serbia GDP growth for instance, higher than any EU country Absolutely false, Ireland has had higher GDP growth, and closer peers like Estonia or Lithuania have had comparable growth rates to Serbia, which is all the more impressive (or underwhelming for Serbia depending on how you look at it), because these peers have much more developed economies (on a GDP per capita PPP basis) and sustaining high growth when you're already developed is harder. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?end=2021&locations=LT-RS-EE-IE&start=2011 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?end=2...
petre 4y ago
It's not true. There was massive growth and investments into Eastern Europe after EU admission. Most of Serbia, aoart from Belgrade and Nis is very much like Romania or Southern Bulgaria (Nortwestern Bulgaria is depopulated) in the 2000s. Their infrastructure has also benefited from EU investment programs, despite being alligned with Russia. Also the wine industry in these countries and also in Hungary has seen major growth and huge quality improvements. In fact this industry has been growing in Moldova and North Macedonia as well as a consequence to increased EU exports.
Mikeb85 4y ago
Serbia GDP per capita is half that of Croatia...

arcturus17 4y ago

> The CR is in some ways a bit of an outlier - they're very heavy into manufacturing Made easier when well over two-thirds of your exports are to EU countries, with zero tariffs. GP then has the nerve to conflate Eurozone membership with EU membership to fit their hazy narrative - the lack of rigor is astounding.

_Tev 4y ago

> have had a rather conservative monetary policy Sure, besides massive money printing 2013-2017. > Ask Poland, CR, SR, the Baltics, etc... what they think of the EU. Considering significant eurosceptic parties (at least in CZ and PL) this might not go as well as you'd hoped.