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You have to remember that Federal investigations don't work like that. They don't arrest (even if it appears obvious) and then build evidence; they build a str

You have to remember that Federal investigations don't work like that. They don't arrest (even if it appears obvious) and then build evidence; they build a strong case quietly then arrest (look up Prenda Law for a good story on this). Interestingly though, most of the time public or powerful figures go to jail it's not (or not mainly) for the crime assumed, it's for 'Lying to the Feds' (see Martha Stewart for example). It's notoriously hard and time consuming to put away the big time criminals because they have big time resources and connections.

atdrummond 4y ago
Having dealt with “shoot first, ask questions later” asset forfeiture cases, in my own life and some of my friends’, I have to say this is more of an idealistic view post Wars on Drugs and Terror.
- headsoup 4y ago
  To be clear I'm talking about larger scale (or involving the 'elite' class) crimes, not the things everyday folk get caught up in, which generally proceed quite a bit quicker.
  - dingusdew 4y ago
    That's literally the fucking problem. Two legal systems, one for "elite" where they get a fucking slap on the wrist, and one for the "poors" where you get the living shit beat out of you and end up with a hospital bill and a charge for "resisting" arrest when they twisted your arm so hard that you involuntarily resisted the movement. When it comes to poor people cops will do shit like throw a baton on the ground, put a suspects hand on it, and then claim they had gone for their weapon, beating them and taking them in for arrest right away. When it comes to the "elite" they make a nice phone call and ask them when it would be convenient to come in for "questioning" because "we couldn't possibly arrest such an upstanding citizen" which is code for "we don't fuck with this guy because he butters our bread." relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeOVbeh2yr0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeOVbeh2yr0
    - headsoup 4y ago
      Indeed, being able to tell a cop you'll have your long list of very expensive lawyers contact them has a habit of slowing them down amazingly quickly. If only law enforcement faced severe penalties for abusing their power, given they should be held to a higher standard of demonstrating good values and restraint in such roles in society.
- more_corn 4y ago
  You just aren’t wealthy powerful and or white enough. I’m not saying it to be rude to you I’m saying as a disgusted criticism of our failure to apply justice equally.
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
    Exactly how white do you have to be?
    - jimmygrapes 4y ago
      One mustn't consider the Saudi<->Instagram "influencer" (or "brand ambassador") pipeline if you want to keep your sanity. Source: one who turned a blind eye while facilitating and regrets it greatly
    - headsoup 4y ago
      "Privileged White" of course
gadders 4y ago
A lot of the time the feds deliberately try and trap you into lying to them, either so they at least get something, or so they can use it as leverage to get you to inform on someone else.
nickphx 4y ago
They do work like that. My house was raided as part of an investigation. It was about two years after the search that the DOJ indicted me for conspiracy to commit copyright infringement..
- cvrjk 4y ago
  Interesting! Would you mind elaborating?
  - 2-718-281-828 4y ago
    there's nothing to elaborate. his story is one of millions of examples where regular people are treated harsher by the law than rich and powerful.
- lfodofod 4y ago
  Were you arrested? No? How is this supposed to refute the GP comment if not?
  - nickphx 4y ago
    Yes. The FBI and DHS agents arrested and detained me while they searched my house. I was given an opportunity to be 'interviewed' while being detained. The agents presented a letter from the AUSA basically outlining what they were looking for and explaining how it would be in my best interest to cooperate with the investigation. lol.. There were 9 other people involved, it was pretty big national news at the time. It was almost two years later that the DOJ indicted me.
    - bbbbb5 4y ago
      Right, but you were presumably not detained for more than a small amount of hours and not placed in pretrial detention? The Speedy Trial concerns are completely different depending on if you're in government custody or not.
      - 4y ago

atdrummond 4y ago

Having dealt with “shoot first, ask questions later” asset forfeiture cases, in my own life and some of my friends’, I have to say this is more of an idealistic view post Wars on Drugs and Terror.

headsoup 4y ago
To be clear I'm talking about larger scale (or involving the 'elite' class) crimes, not the things everyday folk get caught up in, which generally proceed quite a bit quicker.
- dingusdew 4y ago
  That's literally the fucking problem. Two legal systems, one for "elite" where they get a fucking slap on the wrist, and one for the "poors" where you get the living shit beat out of you and end up with a hospital bill and a charge for "resisting" arrest when they twisted your arm so hard that you involuntarily resisted the movement. When it comes to poor people cops will do shit like throw a baton on the ground, put a suspects hand on it, and then claim they had gone for their weapon, beating them and taking them in for arrest right away. When it comes to the "elite" they make a nice phone call and ask them when it would be convenient to come in for "questioning" because "we couldn't possibly arrest such an upstanding citizen" which is code for "we don't fuck with this guy because he butters our bread." relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeOVbeh2yr0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeOVbeh2yr0
  - headsoup 4y ago
    Indeed, being able to tell a cop you'll have your long list of very expensive lawyers contact them has a habit of slowing them down amazingly quickly. If only law enforcement faced severe penalties for abusing their power, given they should be held to a higher standard of demonstrating good values and restraint in such roles in society.
more_corn 4y ago
You just aren’t wealthy powerful and or white enough. I’m not saying it to be rude to you I’m saying as a disgusted criticism of our failure to apply justice equally.
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  Exactly how white do you have to be?
  - jimmygrapes 4y ago
    One mustn't consider the Saudi<->Instagram "influencer" (or "brand ambassador") pipeline if you want to keep your sanity. Source: one who turned a blind eye while facilitating and regrets it greatly
  - headsoup 4y ago
    "Privileged White" of course

gadders 4y ago

A lot of the time the feds deliberately try and trap you into lying to them, either so they at least get something, or so they can use it as leverage to get you to inform on someone else.

nickphx 4y ago

They do work like that. My house was raided as part of an investigation. It was about two years after the search that the DOJ indicted me for conspiracy to commit copyright infringement..

cvrjk 4y ago
Interesting! Would you mind elaborating?
- 2-718-281-828 4y ago
  there's nothing to elaborate. his story is one of millions of examples where regular people are treated harsher by the law than rich and powerful.
lfodofod 4y ago
Were you arrested? No? How is this supposed to refute the GP comment if not?
- nickphx 4y ago
  Yes. The FBI and DHS agents arrested and detained me while they searched my house. I was given an opportunity to be 'interviewed' while being detained. The agents presented a letter from the AUSA basically outlining what they were looking for and explaining how it would be in my best interest to cooperate with the investigation. lol.. There were 9 other people involved, it was pretty big national news at the time. It was almost two years later that the DOJ indicted me.
  - bbbbb5 4y ago
    Right, but you were presumably not detained for more than a small amount of hours and not placed in pretrial detention? The Speedy Trial concerns are completely different depending on if you're in government custody or not.
    - 4y ago