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Looking at the actual facts behind it, it seems likely yes. It starts to make a lot more sense once you research the facility that it occurred in, the Metropoli

by jchw 4y ago

Looking at the actual facts behind it, it seems likely yes. It starts to make a lot more sense once you research the facility that it occurred in, the Metropolitan Correctional Center. Frankly, I don't really get the whole conspiracy anyways.

idontwantthis 4y ago
There are so many levels to the conspiracy that I think some conspiracy must have occurred. He was in a notoriously unsafe prison: the fact that that exists is a conspiracy on its own. the fact that he wasn’t under constant surveillance, the fact that he was given a dangerous cell mate.
- mikeyouse 4y ago
  None of that is remotely interesting to people with experience with prisons. There are tons of dangerous criminals and he was on suicide watch until he wasn’t, at which point he committed suicide. There aren’t enough resources to watch all of the prisoners all of the time, so he waited until he wasn’t being monitored and then committed suicide. Donald Trump ran the DOJ who controlled the BOP would be the only person who could have “arranged” anything and he was notoriously uninterested in details of things so just nothing else even plausibly makes sense from a conspiracy level.
  - SoftTalker 4y ago
    > the BOP would be the only person who could have “arranged” anything You're arguing that his murder would have gone through official BOP channels?
  - richbell 4y ago
    > There are tons of dangerous criminals He was one of, if not, the most high-profile inmates. > he was on suicide watch until he wasn’t Why was he taken off suicide watch when he was known to be suicidal?
    - mikeyouse 4y ago
      Because he convinced a judge that he wasn’t suicidal.
      - richbell 4y ago
        He'd attempted suicide mere weeks prior to his death. He was also an extemely high-procile inmate facing serious charges.
  - aborsy 4y ago
    A lot of money is spent on such high profile cases at various levels. Monitoring the person 24/7 costs nothing in comparison (at least, checking that cameras function)!
ummonk 4y ago
The fact that the nearest cameras happened to malfunction is certainly either an amusing coincidence or cause for suspicion. Given that he likely had blackmailable information on other powerful people (anybody who had visited him on his island and happened to partake), there are certainly people who would have the motive to arrange for something. It's still likely he committed suicide but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
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realusername 4y ago
Due to the amount of very high profile celebrities and politicians connected to this case, it's a real possibility somebody could have murdered him or pushed him to suicide, this is far from a normal case. Good luck finding any evidence either way though.
sli 4y ago
You don't get the conspiracy that the very powerful people that are named in his little black book would want to eliminate the principle witness in a huge case against them? Believing it is one thing, but not getting it is a strange thing to say considering how cut and dry the claim is.

by jchw 4y ago

idontwantthis 4y ago

There are so many levels to the conspiracy that I think some conspiracy must have occurred. He was in a notoriously unsafe prison: the fact that that exists is a conspiracy on its own. the fact that he wasn’t under constant surveillance, the fact that he was given a dangerous cell mate.

mikeyouse 4y ago
None of that is remotely interesting to people with experience with prisons. There are tons of dangerous criminals and he was on suicide watch until he wasn’t, at which point he committed suicide. There aren’t enough resources to watch all of the prisoners all of the time, so he waited until he wasn’t being monitored and then committed suicide. Donald Trump ran the DOJ who controlled the BOP would be the only person who could have “arranged” anything and he was notoriously uninterested in details of things so just nothing else even plausibly makes sense from a conspiracy level.
- SoftTalker 4y ago
  > the BOP would be the only person who could have “arranged” anything You're arguing that his murder would have gone through official BOP channels?
- richbell 4y ago
  > There are tons of dangerous criminals He was one of, if not, the most high-profile inmates. > he was on suicide watch until he wasn’t Why was he taken off suicide watch when he was known to be suicidal?
  - mikeyouse 4y ago
    Because he convinced a judge that he wasn’t suicidal.
    - richbell 4y ago
      He'd attempted suicide mere weeks prior to his death. He was also an extemely high-procile inmate facing serious charges.
- aborsy 4y ago
  A lot of money is spent on such high profile cases at various levels. Monitoring the person 24/7 costs nothing in comparison (at least, checking that cameras function)!

ummonk 4y ago

The fact that the nearest cameras happened to malfunction is certainly either an amusing coincidence or cause for suspicion. Given that he likely had blackmailable information on other powerful people (anybody who had visited him on his island and happened to partake), there are certainly people who would have the motive to arrange for something. It's still likely he committed suicide but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

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realusername 4y ago

Due to the amount of very high profile celebrities and politicians connected to this case, it's a real possibility somebody could have murdered him or pushed him to suicide, this is far from a normal case. Good luck finding any evidence either way though.

sli 4y ago

You don't get the conspiracy that the very powerful people that are named in his little black book would want to eliminate the principle witness in a huge case against them? Believing it is one thing, but not getting it is a strange thing to say considering how cut and dry the claim is.