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As someone in the article explains, she was happy working hard (and getting pay rises) until she spent time on TikTok, which quickly convicted her to work less

As someone in the article explains, she was happy working hard (and getting pay rises) until she spent time on TikTok, which quickly convicted her to work less hours and demand higher pay. TikTok, a Chinese app, is not allowed to show you such content in China and must instead show pro-work, pro-family messaging. Coincidence?

matheusmoreira 4y ago
So what you're saying is TikTok is a psychological operation designed to weaken the economy of western nations? Honestly I wouldn't even be surprised if that was the case. Doesn't invalidate the "less for more" philosophy though. This is what everybody should strive for. The chinese will too, in time.
Spivak 4y ago
You’re taking the side of state sponsored brainwashing over organic content created by TikTok users about workers‘ rights? People change their behavior when presented with new information, this isn’t a grand conspiracy.
- propogandist 4y ago
  >over organic content created by TikTok users about workers‘ rights? the algorithm can be easily influenced to push propaganda and sway opinions. From the Twitter Files (and even prior) we know the old Twitter regime, for example, existed to push woke leftists agendas, including working with the whitehouse and various govt agencies to push propaganda.
  - alphabettsy 4y ago
    > From the Twitter Files (and even prior) we know the old Twitter regime, for example, existed to push woke leftists agendas, including working with the whitehouse and various govt agencies to push propaganda. They didn’t reveal anything like what you describe. And the admin in the White House when the supposed collusion happened was the Trump admin.
    - propogandist 4y ago
      It’s not supposed, it happened. They partnered with the whitehouse of the past and current regimes, but the bias was always to push one sides agenda.
  - xyzzy123 4y ago
    You're right that hands are on the scales of the algorithms. But if this is a psyop I think it's going to backfire. Labour theft, power imbalance and unfair employment practices eat away at the foundations of the social contract. I can hardly think of a worse way to undermine the U.S than to encourage workers to get fair pay and working conditions.
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    - propogandist 4y ago
      TikTok videos aren’t pushing for fair pay or working conditions. Those videos will have low engagement and view through rates, being dry and boring topics. The psyop is about making consumers aspire to be a social media influencer, rather than having meaningful role in society. The videos pushing for fair pay is often “sign up to get my get rich quick course”. China’s version of Tiktok have forced content filters and the content featured by the algo is radically different from the US version. They’re winning the psyop. https://www.adchina.io/douyin-vs-tiktok/ https://www.adchina.io/douyin-vs-tiktok/
  - rhaway84773 4y ago
    That’s not what the Twitter Files showed at all (even assuming a generous meaning of “woke leftists agenda”). In fact, what the Twitter Files showed was the one occasion that they did push the White House’s position, it was done by a low level decision maker and was overturned very rapidly once it became known by management, and led to changes which greatly reduced the chances of something like that happening again.
    - propogandist 4y ago
      Completely false, and this is bogus narrative that the mainstream press is pushing in their efforts to coverup how much influence govt had over Twitter. US govt is heavily involved with pushing propaganda across all outlets, but only Elon has opted to expose it to the public, making him a threat to the establishment, especially the woke leftists in power. > 14. This secret group included Head of Legal, Policy, and Trust (Vijaya Gadde), the Global Head of Trust & Safety (Yoel Roth), subsequent CEOs Jack Dorsey and Parag Agrawal, and others. > 15. This is where the biggest, most politically sensitive decisions got made. “Think high follower account, controversial,” another Twitter employee told us. For these “there would be no ticket or anything.” Twitter management was fully engaged. The head of trust and legal were involved in decisions, especially the ongoing partnership with the FBI — with screenshots and transcripts showing the deep levels of engagement. If you’ve not seen this, you must be reading about twitter files from a 3rd party or ignoring what happened. https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601014175366402048?s=20 https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601014175366402048?s=2... === > The Aspen Institute hosted reporters, media companies and social media firms in Sept. 2020 to prep for a possible Russian hack of Hunter Biden, one month before the NY Post story, at a time when the FBI had the laptop and had Giuliani under surveillance. Amazing coincidence. https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1604977967754461185?s=20 https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1604977967754461185?s=20 === > Government paid Twitter millions of dollars to censor info from the public https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1605219914813673473?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1605219914813673473?s=20 ===
- polio 4y ago
  It can be both. There are many honest and ardent people on TikTok motivated by labor rights. If I worked for the CCP, I would boost that sort of thing as strongly as I could.
ZephyrBlu 4y ago
It sounds more like she was working and getting paid for overtime, not that working extra got her raises. She realized instead of working overtime to make more money, she should ask for a raise.
coliveira 4y ago
Nonsense, the same information can be found in Facebook, Twitter, and other social networks. If that is the case, then American social networks are working secretly for foreign countries against the US. Is that what you believe?
stevenhuang 4y ago
Culture war topics will naturally get optimized by these algorithms due to engagement etc. Thus the removal of content restrictions alone would be enough to push these to the top, so this alone is not interesting. I'd imagine the CCP would find the discontent these videos sow to be convenient, but despite that perhaps it would result in net positive if workers wages rise and wealth inequality gap falls. Tbh I'm more concerned about the algorithm promoting vapid entertainment dumbing down the next generation while apparently in China educational videos are more promoted.
nmeofthestate 4y ago
I think the problem is ultimately an American one, and without tiktok Americans would find a different online venue to crowd-source these memes and persuade each other. Ressentiment will out.
FredPret 4y ago
In capitalism, every agent should at all times be looking to make the most money with the least input. That way the most urgent tasks tend to get handled first. This goes for corporations selling higher margin things to easier customers; customers seeking higher quality and better service for less, and workers seeking higher pay per time and effort spent
csomar 4y ago
> TikTok, a Chinese app, is not allowed to show you such content in China and must instead show pro-work, pro-family messaging. Proof of this?
65 4y ago
Probably a coincidence. /r/antiwork is wildly popular on Reddit, which is an American social media platform. The sentiment is shared across apps.

matheusmoreira 4y ago

So what you're saying is TikTok is a psychological operation designed to weaken the economy of western nations? Honestly I wouldn't even be surprised if that was the case. Doesn't invalidate the "less for more" philosophy though. This is what everybody should strive for. The chinese will too, in time.

Spivak 4y ago

You’re taking the side of state sponsored brainwashing over organic content created by TikTok users about workers‘ rights? People change their behavior when presented with new information, this isn’t a grand conspiracy.

propogandist 4y ago
>over organic content created by TikTok users about workers‘ rights? the algorithm can be easily influenced to push propaganda and sway opinions. From the Twitter Files (and even prior) we know the old Twitter regime, for example, existed to push woke leftists agendas, including working with the whitehouse and various govt agencies to push propaganda.
- alphabettsy 4y ago
  > From the Twitter Files (and even prior) we know the old Twitter regime, for example, existed to push woke leftists agendas, including working with the whitehouse and various govt agencies to push propaganda. They didn’t reveal anything like what you describe. And the admin in the White House when the supposed collusion happened was the Trump admin.
  - propogandist 4y ago
    It’s not supposed, it happened. They partnered with the whitehouse of the past and current regimes, but the bias was always to push one sides agenda.
- xyzzy123 4y ago
  You're right that hands are on the scales of the algorithms. But if this is a psyop I think it's going to backfire. Labour theft, power imbalance and unfair employment practices eat away at the foundations of the social contract. I can hardly think of a worse way to undermine the U.S than to encourage workers to get fair pay and working conditions.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - propogandist 4y ago
    TikTok videos aren’t pushing for fair pay or working conditions. Those videos will have low engagement and view through rates, being dry and boring topics. The psyop is about making consumers aspire to be a social media influencer, rather than having meaningful role in society. The videos pushing for fair pay is often “sign up to get my get rich quick course”. China’s version of Tiktok have forced content filters and the content featured by the algo is radically different from the US version. They’re winning the psyop. https://www.adchina.io/douyin-vs-tiktok/ https://www.adchina.io/douyin-vs-tiktok/
- rhaway84773 4y ago
  That’s not what the Twitter Files showed at all (even assuming a generous meaning of “woke leftists agenda”). In fact, what the Twitter Files showed was the one occasion that they did push the White House’s position, it was done by a low level decision maker and was overturned very rapidly once it became known by management, and led to changes which greatly reduced the chances of something like that happening again.
  - propogandist 4y ago
    Completely false, and this is bogus narrative that the mainstream press is pushing in their efforts to coverup how much influence govt had over Twitter. US govt is heavily involved with pushing propaganda across all outlets, but only Elon has opted to expose it to the public, making him a threat to the establishment, especially the woke leftists in power. > 14. This secret group included Head of Legal, Policy, and Trust (Vijaya Gadde), the Global Head of Trust & Safety (Yoel Roth), subsequent CEOs Jack Dorsey and Parag Agrawal, and others. > 15. This is where the biggest, most politically sensitive decisions got made. “Think high follower account, controversial,” another Twitter employee told us. For these “there would be no ticket or anything.” Twitter management was fully engaged. The head of trust and legal were involved in decisions, especially the ongoing partnership with the FBI — with screenshots and transcripts showing the deep levels of engagement. If you’ve not seen this, you must be reading about twitter files from a 3rd party or ignoring what happened. https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601014175366402048?s=20 https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601014175366402048?s=2... === > The Aspen Institute hosted reporters, media companies and social media firms in Sept. 2020 to prep for a possible Russian hack of Hunter Biden, one month before the NY Post story, at a time when the FBI had the laptop and had Giuliani under surveillance. Amazing coincidence. https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1604977967754461185?s=20 https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1604977967754461185?s=20 === > Government paid Twitter millions of dollars to censor info from the public https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1605219914813673473?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1605219914813673473?s=20 ===
polio 4y ago
It can be both. There are many honest and ardent people on TikTok motivated by labor rights. If I worked for the CCP, I would boost that sort of thing as strongly as I could.

ZephyrBlu 4y ago

It sounds more like she was working and getting paid for overtime, not that working extra got her raises. She realized instead of working overtime to make more money, she should ask for a raise.

coliveira 4y ago

Nonsense, the same information can be found in Facebook, Twitter, and other social networks. If that is the case, then American social networks are working secretly for foreign countries against the US. Is that what you believe?

stevenhuang 4y ago

Culture war topics will naturally get optimized by these algorithms due to engagement etc. Thus the removal of content restrictions alone would be enough to push these to the top, so this alone is not interesting. I'd imagine the CCP would find the discontent these videos sow to be convenient, but despite that perhaps it would result in net positive if workers wages rise and wealth inequality gap falls. Tbh I'm more concerned about the algorithm promoting vapid entertainment dumbing down the next generation while apparently in China educational videos are more promoted.

nmeofthestate 4y ago

I think the problem is ultimately an American one, and without tiktok Americans would find a different online venue to crowd-source these memes and persuade each other. Ressentiment will out.

FredPret 4y ago

In capitalism, every agent should at all times be looking to make the most money with the least input. That way the most urgent tasks tend to get handled first. This goes for corporations selling higher margin things to easier customers; customers seeking higher quality and better service for less, and workers seeking higher pay per time and effort spent

csomar 4y ago

> TikTok, a Chinese app, is not allowed to show you such content in China and must instead show pro-work, pro-family messaging. Proof of this?

65 4y ago

Probably a coincidence. /r/antiwork is wildly popular on Reddit, which is an American social media platform. The sentiment is shared across apps.