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> I took an American one. Me, too. > They're safe enough. How did I know that? Because, the EU and the US work closely together and the regulations make sure

by _19qg 4y ago

> I took an American one. Me, too. > They're safe enough. How did I know that? Because, the EU and the US work closely together and the regulations make sure that they work with common standard levels. Each country has a system which regulates which vaccines it considers safe. In EU this is expanded such that the permissions are valid for the common market. The EU has EXPANDED the region where vaccines are permitted under a common regulation, it has not reduced it. Just the opposite. > Why shouldn't people in China be able to use European vaccines? For example because China wants to reduce the influence of other countries? Because it wants to promote their own companies? Because foreign vaccines are too expensive? > If a billion Chinese can use something without it being a problem How do you know that it does not cause problems for you? Currently it looks like China has a problem with Vaccines. > We're all the same species and have mostly the same problems. That sounds silly. Governments, regulators, companies, ... all have different policies, interests, etc. That creates a lot of DIFFERENT problems. > need a foreign union to negotiate to let me use foreign goods. My own government could The EU is not a foreign union. It the Union I'm living in. Just like my city, my state, my country, the EU all have different responsibilities. Why should my country dictate laws to my city? It does. Because we are all the same species and have mostly the same problems. In my state, my country, the EU. Those all have negotiated the levels of power they are responsible for.

roenxi 4y ago
I mean, you're in a position where you live in the EU and took an American vaccine that was approved for use in the US. All your customs office has contributed here is a rubber stamp saying "the work the Americans have already done is good enough" in case you are a jingoist who doesn't trust the US standard. The potential downside is if they vacillate then they'll delay the vaccine availability despite the fact that the option was available. I put it to you that this is why the EU gets a lot of hate. People struggle to come up with examples of where it helped things along. There are decent odds here that Trump's policies did more for you on this topic than your own regulators, which I think it not be what you want in an example that you bought up. > For example because China wants to reduce the influence of other countries? Because it wants to promote their own companies? Because foreign vaccines are too expensive? You argue a few lines down that the Chinese have a problem with vaccines, so I put it to you that you actually believe the Chinese policy is worse than nothing. These reasons are terrible excuses for not letting a product over a border. Literally sacrificing lives for business interests in defiance of what a free market would do. >> We're all the same species and have mostly the same problems. > That sounds silly. I'm not sure I can argue against this, but I urge you to reconsider what species you are a part of, and what the implications are if the problems are being created by the regulators rather than the underlying reality.
- _19qg 4y ago
  > All your customs office has contributed here is a rubber stamp saying "the work the Americans have already done is good enough" The customs office does not test nor does it approve vaccines. That's done by the European Medicines Agency ( https://www.ema.europa.eu/en https://www.ema.europa.eu/en ). This Agency is under EU control. The respective US authorities are not under EU control, they are under the control of the US government. I would also not expect that the US companies give me the same vaccines from the same production sites. > who doesn't trust the US standard I trust EU standards. Which my government can influence. > People struggle to come up with examples of where it helped things along. Maybe you, I can come up with lots of examples. EU standards are one. Your view on standards and regulations differs from most people. > Literally sacrificing lives for business interests in defiance of what a free market would do The Chinese market is not free. That should be known. > but I urge you to reconsider what species you are a part of, and what the implications are if the problems are being created by the regulators rather than the underlying reality. Nations, organisations, science, companies, money, laws, politics, ideology, are all reality. You seem to live in a fantasy world of 'species'.

by _19qg 4y ago

roenxi 4y ago

I mean, you're in a position where you live in the EU and took an American vaccine that was approved for use in the US. All your customs office has contributed here is a rubber stamp saying "the work the Americans have already done is good enough" in case you are a jingoist who doesn't trust the US standard. The potential downside is if they vacillate then they'll delay the vaccine availability despite the fact that the option was available. I put it to you that this is why the EU gets a lot of hate. People struggle to come up with examples of where it helped things along. There are decent odds here that Trump's policies did more for you on this topic than your own regulators, which I think it not be what you want in an example that you bought up. > For example because China wants to reduce the influence of other countries? Because it wants to promote their own companies? Because foreign vaccines are too expensive? You argue a few lines down that the Chinese have a problem with vaccines, so I put it to you that you actually believe the Chinese policy is worse than nothing. These reasons are terrible excuses for not letting a product over a border. Literally sacrificing lives for business interests in defiance of what a free market would do. >> We're all the same species and have mostly the same problems. > That sounds silly. I'm not sure I can argue against this, but I urge you to reconsider what species you are a part of, and what the implications are if the problems are being created by the regulators rather than the underlying reality.

_19qg 4y ago
> All your customs office has contributed here is a rubber stamp saying "the work the Americans have already done is good enough" The customs office does not test nor does it approve vaccines. That's done by the European Medicines Agency ( https://www.ema.europa.eu/en https://www.ema.europa.eu/en ). This Agency is under EU control. The respective US authorities are not under EU control, they are under the control of the US government. I would also not expect that the US companies give me the same vaccines from the same production sites. > who doesn't trust the US standard I trust EU standards. Which my government can influence. > People struggle to come up with examples of where it helped things along. Maybe you, I can come up with lots of examples. EU standards are one. Your view on standards and regulations differs from most people. > Literally sacrificing lives for business interests in defiance of what a free market would do The Chinese market is not free. That should be known. > but I urge you to reconsider what species you are a part of, and what the implications are if the problems are being created by the regulators rather than the underlying reality. Nations, organisations, science, companies, money, laws, politics, ideology, are all reality. You seem to live in a fantasy world of 'species'.