I had a longer and more comprehensive response, but it was also kind of mean, and I generally don't want to indulge the bad habit of political flame wars with r

I had a longer and more comprehensive response, but it was also kind of mean, and I generally don't want to indulge the bad habit of political flame wars with random strangers on the internet. It's a habit I'd like to stow away for good in 2023. One thing I do want to note though is that you somehow assume that I am not taking into consideration Trump's policies. A) I have (in fact, I worked on litigation against some of them). I don't know why you think I haven't. You also seem to assume that if someone were to examine his foreign policy, they would also view some of it as good. Why? I am aware generally of his foreign policy, and I saw little, if anything, to like. Not everyone shares your worldview. B) The big thing I think people of your persuasion miss is morality. I don't think his policies matter that much given the fact that I view him and his supporters* as deeply immoral and fucked up on multiple levels. I feel you will simply never understand this, and thus all of your entreaties and arguments, such as the ones above, will always miss the mark. I believe that you don't understand what the people you are debating think or believe, or why they think and believe it. Also, I don't get your thing about the federal debt--there are plenty of people with federal student loans, myself included. * When I say his "supporters" in this context, I really single out people who particularly like Trump and/or the "new right" more than they like traditional Republicans, conservative ideas. I obviously still have great beef with the Republicans who just went along with him, but I would say my ire is a bit tempered there. I'm still ok sharing a country with them, at least, let's put it that way.