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So, they can have their qualified youth (educated at Croation expense) go work and pay taxes in Switzerland or the Netherlands or Germany? I fail to see how tha

So, they can have their qualified youth (educated at Croation expense) go work and pay taxes in Switzerland or the Netherlands or Germany? I fail to see how that's a positive :)

Ekaros 4y ago
That might not be positive. But now there is even less friction with local companies in Croatia selling services to those countries.
- csomar 4y ago
  How will these companies be able to sell services to the Western EU if all the skilled workers moved West? Are they as capitalized as their Western counterparts?
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    So no company in USA exist outside the best paying locations as absolutely everyone has moved to best paying richer cities. As have the companies as there is no capitalization in poor regions?
    - andrepd 4y ago
      It's not "no company" obviously, but you're actually giving a very nice example. The decay of rural and industrial America over the last 60 years is a very notable fact.
foobarian 4y ago
I've been wondering why there is not more movement the other way around. Croatia is beautiful, especially around the coast, and given the hybrid work direction the world is heading in it seems it could be very appealing to have satellite offices around Rijeka, Split, Pula etc. to the point where even foreigners would be willing to move there.
- BerislavLopac 4y ago
  Croatia is really bad when it comes to support for doing any kind of business. Effective tax rate over 50% for high earners, really hostile tax authorities, difficulty getting loans etc.
- jq-r 4y ago
  There are some satellite offices already in the cities that you mention. Those are usually from some big shipping/offshore/maritime companies which can afford it. Those offices attract locally skilled and/or certified workers, foreign being very rare in my experience as the salaries are pretty low. Higher than the average in the city, but not by much. As the sibling comment said, they taxes are enormous, public services openly hostile to everyone, and public medical services (which you pay a lot anyway) are arguably worse then 40 years ago. The coast is beautiful in places, the islands are even more so. But there is a difference between living there and visiting. I would even argue that the cities you mention are much worse to live in than say Croatia's capital Zagreb. The cities are very hot during summer, and just miserable outside of it. I would even argue that most of the coast/islands are like that, small towns are empty and dead outside of the summer season, and too crowded during one. Personally, I would rather live in an alive place, and visit Croatia's islands now and then, then in a place which springs to life two months a year.
tgv 4y ago
Yep. Not Switzerland, though. They're not part of the EU, and quite restrictive when it comes to foreign workers and immigration.
- laurencerowe 4y ago
  Free movement rights with Switzerland are a bit of a fudge since it is not formally part of the EEA Single Market and instead has a series of ad-hoc agreements with the EU one of which has provided freedom of movement since 2002. https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta.html https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-e... Similarly to the way some EU members applied transitional arrangements temporarily limiting free movement rights to citizens of new members states, Switzerland currently has a quota on Croatian citizens moving there. "The Federal Council’s decision of 16 November 2022 to invoke the safeguard clause for Croatian nationals applies initially for the year 2023. It may be extended until the end of 2024." https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta/eu-efta_buerger_schweiz/faq.html#-2068897050 https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-e...
mmarq 4y ago
N-th reminder that a Croatian is nobody’s property and can do whatever they want with their life.
- andrepd 4y ago
  And how is that in any way connected to what I said?

So, they can have their qualified youth (educated at Croation expense) go work and pay taxes in Switzerland or the Netherlands or Germany? I fail to see how that's a positive :)

Ekaros 4y ago

That might not be positive. But now there is even less friction with local companies in Croatia selling services to those countries.

csomar 4y ago
How will these companies be able to sell services to the Western EU if all the skilled workers moved West? Are they as capitalized as their Western counterparts?
- Ekaros 4y ago
  So no company in USA exist outside the best paying locations as absolutely everyone has moved to best paying richer cities. As have the companies as there is no capitalization in poor regions?
  - andrepd 4y ago
    It's not "no company" obviously, but you're actually giving a very nice example. The decay of rural and industrial America over the last 60 years is a very notable fact.

foobarian 4y ago

I've been wondering why there is not more movement the other way around. Croatia is beautiful, especially around the coast, and given the hybrid work direction the world is heading in it seems it could be very appealing to have satellite offices around Rijeka, Split, Pula etc. to the point where even foreigners would be willing to move there.

BerislavLopac 4y ago
Croatia is really bad when it comes to support for doing any kind of business. Effective tax rate over 50% for high earners, really hostile tax authorities, difficulty getting loans etc.
jq-r 4y ago
There are some satellite offices already in the cities that you mention. Those are usually from some big shipping/offshore/maritime companies which can afford it. Those offices attract locally skilled and/or certified workers, foreign being very rare in my experience as the salaries are pretty low. Higher than the average in the city, but not by much. As the sibling comment said, they taxes are enormous, public services openly hostile to everyone, and public medical services (which you pay a lot anyway) are arguably worse then 40 years ago. The coast is beautiful in places, the islands are even more so. But there is a difference between living there and visiting. I would even argue that the cities you mention are much worse to live in than say Croatia's capital Zagreb. The cities are very hot during summer, and just miserable outside of it. I would even argue that most of the coast/islands are like that, small towns are empty and dead outside of the summer season, and too crowded during one. Personally, I would rather live in an alive place, and visit Croatia's islands now and then, then in a place which springs to life two months a year.

tgv 4y ago

Yep. Not Switzerland, though. They're not part of the EU, and quite restrictive when it comes to foreign workers and immigration.

laurencerowe 4y ago
Free movement rights with Switzerland are a bit of a fudge since it is not formally part of the EEA Single Market and instead has a series of ad-hoc agreements with the EU one of which has provided freedom of movement since 2002. https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta.html https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-e... Similarly to the way some EU members applied transitional arrangements temporarily limiting free movement rights to citizens of new members states, Switzerland currently has a quota on Croatian citizens moving there. "The Federal Council’s decision of 16 November 2022 to invoke the safeguard clause for Croatian nationals applies initially for the year 2023. It may be extended until the end of 2024." https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta/eu-efta_buerger_schweiz/faq.html#-2068897050 https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-e...

mmarq 4y ago

N-th reminder that a Croatian is nobody’s property and can do whatever they want with their life.

andrepd 4y ago
And how is that in any way connected to what I said?