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> It would also hurt hiring and make employers more risk averse if they know they cannot get rid of poor performers easily. This impacts young inexperienced wor

> It would also hurt hiring and make employers more risk averse if they know they cannot get rid of poor performers easily. This impacts young inexperienced workers especially and is part of the reason places like France have youth unemployment is around 20% while US youth unemployment is around 8% Youth that are in post-secondary education and not looking for work are included in that 20% figure you cite, and France has a much higher post-secondary education rate than its neighbors. I don't think your assessment that it's caused primarily by unionization holds up.[0] > You're assuming that a tech union would prevent people from being laid off and maybe it would to some degree. A primary goal of such a union would be to negotiate better separation terms in a layoff scenario, not necessarily avoid layoffs altogether. Markets are unpredictable and things happen, but people should be taken care of in the event that it does happen.

bko 4y ago
> Youth that are in post-secondary education and not looking for work are included in that 20% figure you cite, and France has a much higher post-secondary education rate than its neighbors. I don't think your assessment that it's caused primarily by unionization holds up. That's incorrect. Unemployment is defined below and includes only those that are available and seeking employment. You're thinking of workforce participation rate. > Youth unemployment refers to the share of the labor force ages 15-24 without work but available for and seeking employment (modeled ILO estimate). https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SLUEM1524ZSFRA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SLUEM1524ZSFRA
didgeoridoo 4y ago
Traditionally, unemployment measures exclude those in education and those not seeking work. Are you saying Statista is using a peculiar measure that includes these people for some reason? Are you sure you’re not thinking of the “workforce participation rate”, a different statistic entirely?
codekansas 4y ago
People that make statements about what the primary goal of such and such a union would be seem to implicitly assume that the union would be run according to their particular vision, when in fact it would be run by majority rule at first, and later (once employees don't have a choice about whether or not to join) to satisfy whatever hidden constituents hold the new levers of power.

bko 4y ago

> Youth that are in post-secondary education and not looking for work are included in that 20% figure you cite, and France has a much higher post-secondary education rate than its neighbors. I don't think your assessment that it's caused primarily by unionization holds up. That's incorrect. Unemployment is defined below and includes only those that are available and seeking employment. You're thinking of workforce participation rate. > Youth unemployment refers to the share of the labor force ages 15-24 without work but available for and seeking employment (modeled ILO estimate). https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SLUEM1524ZSFRA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SLUEM1524ZSFRA

didgeoridoo 4y ago

Traditionally, unemployment measures exclude those in education and those not seeking work. Are you saying Statista is using a peculiar measure that includes these people for some reason? Are you sure you’re not thinking of the “workforce participation rate”, a different statistic entirely?

codekansas 4y ago

People that make statements about what the primary goal of such and such a union would be seem to implicitly assume that the union would be run according to their particular vision, when in fact it would be run by majority rule at first, and later (once employees don't have a choice about whether or not to join) to satisfy whatever hidden constituents hold the new levers of power.