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That argument is way too theoretical. Some people want to own their home and others want to rent. The optimal amount of rental housing is not zero. Whether ther

That argument is way too theoretical. Some people want to own their home and others want to rent. The optimal amount of rental housing is not zero. Whether there is too much or not enough rental housing is an empirical question that depends on local conditions.

naasking 4y ago
The cost of housing rising above median livable wage is not theoretical. We're well past that in some parts of the country.
- skybrian 4y ago
  But does that mean there is too much rental housing available or not enough, versus owner-occupied housing? If you want rents to be lower, it’s strange to argue against an increase in rentable housing.
  - naasking 4y ago
    Rent has also skyrocketed, so your framing as some trade-off between availability of rent or buy does not seem correct.
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      All else being equal, do you think JPMC building $1B of new rental property to raise or lower rents?
      - naasking 4y ago
        Depends entirely in the property they use to create those units doesn't it? If they demolish 10,000 low end rental properties to build 1,000 high end properties, the answer seems obvious. Equally obvious, if they could create property out of thin air then more supply lowers prices, but property is finite.
        sokoloff 4y ago
        If they could buy 10K on-rental-market units at an average price enough under $100K each to leave room to build luxury housing there, it would make a hell of a lot more sense to just continue to rent them.
- Beaver117 4y ago
  Well someone is paying it, or else the prices would come down. The middle and lower class are just being pushed out
daveguy 4y ago
There should not be megalandlords that can control a significant portion of housing anywhere. "Some people want..." is a lot more theoretical argument than gp. There needs to be limits on the power of landlords. I am curious as to what other countries have done to avoid it. Monopolies are illegal in the US, but it seems difficult to bring anti-trust against landlords.
- seanp2k2 4y ago
  >Monopolies are illegal in the US If Comcast isn’t a monopoly for many in this country, I don’t know what is. Serious question: what are some notable examples of the government taking actual action against monopolies in a meaningful way that made them no longer monopolies?
  - rfrec0n 4y ago
    There are no examples in the past 40 or 50 years. The country is infested with illegal monopolies. At this point there really aren't any industries left that aren't completely dominated by 3 or 4 massive companies. This has even spread to industries which have been historically immune to monopolies for various reasons, such as local news, FM radio, primary care practicianers, hardware stores, textbook publishing, car/heavy equipment mechanics, etc.
- skybrian 4y ago
  There are regulated monopolies. (For example, power companies.) They aren't illegal. There are some business practices that are illegal, but the companies themselves are not.
  - daveguy 4y ago
    That's a good point. There are regulated monopolies. But if a monopoly does not have specific legal endorsement to operate (eg NFL, power company for a region, etc) then it is illegal.

naasking 4y ago

The cost of housing rising above median livable wage is not theoretical. We're well past that in some parts of the country.

skybrian 4y ago
But does that mean there is too much rental housing available or not enough, versus owner-occupied housing? If you want rents to be lower, it’s strange to argue against an increase in rentable housing.
- naasking 4y ago
  Rent has also skyrocketed, so your framing as some trade-off between availability of rent or buy does not seem correct.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    All else being equal, do you think JPMC building $1B of new rental property to raise or lower rents?
    - naasking 4y ago
      Depends entirely in the property they use to create those units doesn't it? If they demolish 10,000 low end rental properties to build 1,000 high end properties, the answer seems obvious. Equally obvious, if they could create property out of thin air then more supply lowers prices, but property is finite.
      - sokoloff 4y ago
        If they could buy 10K on-rental-market units at an average price enough under $100K each to leave room to build luxury housing there, it would make a hell of a lot more sense to just continue to rent them.
Beaver117 4y ago
Well someone is paying it, or else the prices would come down. The middle and lower class are just being pushed out

daveguy 4y ago

There should not be megalandlords that can control a significant portion of housing anywhere. "Some people want..." is a lot more theoretical argument than gp. There needs to be limits on the power of landlords. I am curious as to what other countries have done to avoid it. Monopolies are illegal in the US, but it seems difficult to bring anti-trust against landlords.

seanp2k2 4y ago
>Monopolies are illegal in the US If Comcast isn’t a monopoly for many in this country, I don’t know what is. Serious question: what are some notable examples of the government taking actual action against monopolies in a meaningful way that made them no longer monopolies?
- rfrec0n 4y ago
  There are no examples in the past 40 or 50 years. The country is infested with illegal monopolies. At this point there really aren't any industries left that aren't completely dominated by 3 or 4 massive companies. This has even spread to industries which have been historically immune to monopolies for various reasons, such as local news, FM radio, primary care practicianers, hardware stores, textbook publishing, car/heavy equipment mechanics, etc.
skybrian 4y ago
There are regulated monopolies. (For example, power companies.) They aren't illegal. There are some business practices that are illegal, but the companies themselves are not.
- daveguy 4y ago
  That's a good point. There are regulated monopolies. But if a monopoly does not have specific legal endorsement to operate (eg NFL, power company for a region, etc) then it is illegal.