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How about the brown M&M argument, if they are neglecting these basic tasks and responsibilities what other duties are they shirking. And for the record I don't

How about the brown M&M argument, if they are neglecting these basic tasks and responsibilities what other duties are they shirking. And for the record I don't buy for a second it won't effect the operational readiness of the fleet.

mbg721 4y ago
Yeah, there's no inherent value to canaries in coal mines, but if you see a dead one, you run.
c7b 4y ago
There's a finite time budget, and the question is what tasks they allocate it to. I don't suspect them of slacking, so if anything, I'd expect the time spent on other tasks to decrease the more time they put into polishing their decks.
- CapricornNoble 4y ago
  I can't speak for the Army lately, but the entire Navy and Marine Corps seem Hell-bent on shoving 15lbs of shit into a 10lb-bag. It could be argued we've been doing this since at least ~2005....well, chickens are coming home to roost, the people who suffered in silence due to their post-9/11 motivation are at/near retirement age. Folks with <10 years service are looking at the insane workloads, the shit compensation, and are not sticking around. Senior "leadership" is a mix of careerists who don't know when to push back against generals that demand a higher operational tempo, or who don't understand why constant 12-16-hour workdays are a problem, because that's how they came up the ranks. Total failures of basic resource-to-task analysis and management. They want EVERYTHING done, and they want it all done last Tuesday, and they don't want to hear about how many man-hours that should take. "Stop making excuses, or it will be reflected in your next Fitness Report."
krolden 4y ago
Hmmm... https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/camp-lejeune/ https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/camp-lejeune/ https://www.npr.org/2021/12/15/1064514935/water-contamination-hawaii https://www.npr.org/2021/12/15/1064514935/water-contaminatio... https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-aircraft-carrier-uss-abraham-lincoln-water-contamination-e-coli/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-aircraft-carrier-uss-ab... https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-uss-nimitz-water-contamination/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-uss-nimitz-water-contam... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/06/military-bases-contaminating-water-supply-pfas https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/06/military-bas...
jakear 4y ago
We lost an amphibious assault ship to friendly fire two years back https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/15/politics/navy-uss-bonhomme-richard-punishments/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/15/politics/navy-uss-bonhomme-ri...

mbg721 4y ago

Yeah, there's no inherent value to canaries in coal mines, but if you see a dead one, you run.

c7b 4y ago

There's a finite time budget, and the question is what tasks they allocate it to. I don't suspect them of slacking, so if anything, I'd expect the time spent on other tasks to decrease the more time they put into polishing their decks.

CapricornNoble 4y ago
I can't speak for the Army lately, but the entire Navy and Marine Corps seem Hell-bent on shoving 15lbs of shit into a 10lb-bag. It could be argued we've been doing this since at least ~2005....well, chickens are coming home to roost, the people who suffered in silence due to their post-9/11 motivation are at/near retirement age. Folks with <10 years service are looking at the insane workloads, the shit compensation, and are not sticking around. Senior "leadership" is a mix of careerists who don't know when to push back against generals that demand a higher operational tempo, or who don't understand why constant 12-16-hour workdays are a problem, because that's how they came up the ranks. Total failures of basic resource-to-task analysis and management. They want EVERYTHING done, and they want it all done last Tuesday, and they don't want to hear about how many man-hours that should take. "Stop making excuses, or it will be reflected in your next Fitness Report."

krolden 4y ago

Hmmm... https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/camp-lejeune/ https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/camp-lejeune/ https://www.npr.org/2021/12/15/1064514935/water-contamination-hawaii https://www.npr.org/2021/12/15/1064514935/water-contaminatio... https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-aircraft-carrier-uss-abraham-lincoln-water-contamination-e-coli/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-aircraft-carrier-uss-ab... https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-uss-nimitz-water-contamination/ https://taskandpurpose.com/news/navy-uss-nimitz-water-contam... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/06/military-bases-contaminating-water-supply-pfas https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/06/military-bas...

jakear 4y ago

We lost an amphibious assault ship to friendly fire two years back https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/15/politics/navy-uss-bonhomme-richard-punishments/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/15/politics/navy-uss-bonhomme-ri...