7 ms·

Controversial take, but the reinstitution of gender roles.

by rabuse 4y ago

falcolas 4y ago
And how would traditional gender roles solve the lonely death problem?
- nibbleshifter 4y ago
  [flagged]
  - Mezzie 4y ago
    And that said state appointed waifu wouldn't poison them. All forcing me and my peers to be someone's wife would do is cause a drastic increase in 'accidental' deaths involving mixed household cleaners or improperly prepared food. Teehee, don't blame us, after all, you said yourselves we're too stupid to be trusted! You'd have to go full Taliban/Gilead and cut off education/take the decades to brainwash the girls. It'd take a few generations before (most of) the women would comply, so none of the men arguing for it now would even benefit. Which is why I'm convinced it's all an edgy LARP - the right wing version of 18 and 19 year old undergraduate anti-capitalists who can't tell you what capitalism actually IS. (I'm anti-capitalist myself but they make my side look bad...)
- tshaddox 4y ago
  Probably depends on how “traditional” they’re talking about. Treating women as property whose marriages are arranged by their parents would probably help some otherwise lonely men. If it weren’t for the pesky progressive left to oppose that.
  - isthisthingon99 4y ago
    The number of women asking me to arrange a marriage for them is non trivial. There is a reason it was done that way and it had nothing to do with women being property.
martythemaniak 4y ago
So if we just force enough people to do your bidding without question, then your life will be easier and happier. The reason there are lots of lonely men out there is because they self-radicalize themselves on garbage ideology like this, and it becomes impossible for them to form relationships or integrate into society.
- nibbleshifter 4y ago
  Yep, they believe in this horseshit a and then are shocked and appalled when women (and other men) want nothing to do with them. Basically selecting themselves out of the gene pool by being fucking idiots.
- the_doctah 4y ago
  They self-radicalize themselves on the "garbage" ideology that there are two genders? The prevailing sentiment of the rest of the world outside of a segment of western liberals hell bent on changing everyone else?
nemothekid 4y ago
I don't particularly agree, but how would you reinstitute gender roles? The president cannot pass a decree that women should be confined to the kitchen. "Traditional" gender roles broke down once wage growth flatlined and it was impossible to support a family on a single income. If you focus on the economic issues - especially those of inequality, it seems to me you would fix far more issues than focusing on social ones. Unfortunately, the "progressive left" is the only political sect that seems to care about these issues but the economic issues don't get nearly the same airtime as the social ones. Drag shows seem to get 1000x the coverage than unions.
- scarmig 4y ago
  You're right, but you miss a key point: much of what we call "the progressive left" is just corporate and professional managerial class value signaling. It's easy and low cost to call people names and culture war, so activism and attention gets directed (on both sides) toward drag queen story time hour instead of making sure everyone has access to a solid, stable, safe job.
  - nemothekid 4y ago
    >corporate and professional managerial class value signaling This isn't true. The corporate and professional managerial class are not the same people unionizing coffeeshops and railroads. This is a elite backed misdirection in the same vein that focuses drag shows. It's difficult to take people seriously when those same "corporate and professional managerial class" are called the "progressive left" while be simultaneously anti-union. Must of what you call "the progressive left" are also just anti-religious conservatives (or left-leaning libertarians at best).
scarmig 4y ago
Don't reinstitute gender roles, but recognize that while women have made lots of progress men are still strictly held to their historical gender role, and that the only way forward is to open up the roles available for men.
- tshaddox 4y ago
  What about historical gender roles for men would cause a lot of men to be lonely now?
  - scarmig 4y ago
    Emotional stoicism. Homophobia leading to homosocial connections being stigmatized. Men being objectified for their economic utility leading to them investing less in personal relationships and development. The stereotype of men being dangerous, leading to aversion to people initiating connections with them and less receptiveness when they do attempt to initiate. And, above all, the idea that men are hyperagents and thus always responsible for their own issues, and that society shouldn't do anything to help them.
  - Qem 4y ago
    Working long hours outside.

Controversial take, but the reinstitution of gender roles.

by rabuse 4y ago

Controversial take, but the reinstitution of gender roles.

falcolas 4y ago

And how would traditional gender roles solve the lonely death problem?

nibbleshifter 4y ago
[flagged]
- Mezzie 4y ago
  And that said state appointed waifu wouldn't poison them. All forcing me and my peers to be someone's wife would do is cause a drastic increase in 'accidental' deaths involving mixed household cleaners or improperly prepared food. Teehee, don't blame us, after all, you said yourselves we're too stupid to be trusted! You'd have to go full Taliban/Gilead and cut off education/take the decades to brainwash the girls. It'd take a few generations before (most of) the women would comply, so none of the men arguing for it now would even benefit. Which is why I'm convinced it's all an edgy LARP - the right wing version of 18 and 19 year old undergraduate anti-capitalists who can't tell you what capitalism actually IS. (I'm anti-capitalist myself but they make my side look bad...)
tshaddox 4y ago
Probably depends on how “traditional” they’re talking about. Treating women as property whose marriages are arranged by their parents would probably help some otherwise lonely men. If it weren’t for the pesky progressive left to oppose that.
- isthisthingon99 4y ago
  The number of women asking me to arrange a marriage for them is non trivial. There is a reason it was done that way and it had nothing to do with women being property.

martythemaniak 4y ago

So if we just force enough people to do your bidding without question, then your life will be easier and happier. The reason there are lots of lonely men out there is because they self-radicalize themselves on garbage ideology like this, and it becomes impossible for them to form relationships or integrate into society.

nibbleshifter 4y ago
Yep, they believe in this horseshit a and then are shocked and appalled when women (and other men) want nothing to do with them. Basically selecting themselves out of the gene pool by being fucking idiots.
the_doctah 4y ago
They self-radicalize themselves on the "garbage" ideology that there are two genders? The prevailing sentiment of the rest of the world outside of a segment of western liberals hell bent on changing everyone else?

nemothekid 4y ago

I don't particularly agree, but how would you reinstitute gender roles? The president cannot pass a decree that women should be confined to the kitchen. "Traditional" gender roles broke down once wage growth flatlined and it was impossible to support a family on a single income. If you focus on the economic issues - especially those of inequality, it seems to me you would fix far more issues than focusing on social ones. Unfortunately, the "progressive left" is the only political sect that seems to care about these issues but the economic issues don't get nearly the same airtime as the social ones. Drag shows seem to get 1000x the coverage than unions.

scarmig 4y ago
You're right, but you miss a key point: much of what we call "the progressive left" is just corporate and professional managerial class value signaling. It's easy and low cost to call people names and culture war, so activism and attention gets directed (on both sides) toward drag queen story time hour instead of making sure everyone has access to a solid, stable, safe job.
- nemothekid 4y ago
  >corporate and professional managerial class value signaling This isn't true. The corporate and professional managerial class are not the same people unionizing coffeeshops and railroads. This is a elite backed misdirection in the same vein that focuses drag shows. It's difficult to take people seriously when those same "corporate and professional managerial class" are called the "progressive left" while be simultaneously anti-union. Must of what you call "the progressive left" are also just anti-religious conservatives (or left-leaning libertarians at best).

scarmig 4y ago

Don't reinstitute gender roles, but recognize that while women have made lots of progress men are still strictly held to their historical gender role, and that the only way forward is to open up the roles available for men.

tshaddox 4y ago
What about historical gender roles for men would cause a lot of men to be lonely now?
- scarmig 4y ago
  Emotional stoicism. Homophobia leading to homosocial connections being stigmatized. Men being objectified for their economic utility leading to them investing less in personal relationships and development. The stereotype of men being dangerous, leading to aversion to people initiating connections with them and less receptiveness when they do attempt to initiate. And, above all, the idea that men are hyperagents and thus always responsible for their own issues, and that society shouldn't do anything to help them.
- Qem 4y ago
  Working long hours outside.