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If I was paying my engineers a lot of money, I'd want them focused on higher level issues than how to clean their asses after using the facilities. And I think

If I was paying my engineers a lot of money, I'd want them focused on higher level issues than how to clean their asses after using the facilities. And I think the whole free food thing verges on exploitative/paternalistic, but this swings the pendulum a bit too far in the other direction for my taste.

pvaldes 4y ago
Not a bad point. On the other hand, If somebody is being paid solid money for coding around complex logistics problems should be able to solve this simple logistic problem really fast and cheaply, and move on with their lives. Is a transition period for the company. Not all must be perfect. Leaving a well paid job because toilet paper seems very poor capability to deal with frustration in a reasonable way.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  If it were only TP perhaps, besides the sign of a disfuncional management. Now unsanitary bathrooms is another level, and could impact ones health.
- adalacelove 4y ago
  >Leaving a well paid job because toilet paper seems very poor capability to deal with frustration in a reasonable way. The toilet paper thing would be anecdotical taken in isolation but the reasonable thing at this point is to leave as soon as you secure another similar paying job, even if it's 1/3 less of salary. Contrary to a lot of people I truly think that Musk has quite a lot of merit in the things he has accomplished. Just the fact of trying hard things should be acknowledged. But he has been unstable for a while, in a very obvious way. Who knows if there is some kind of medical condition behind. I know first hand of similar cases were erratic behavior was later found to be caused by some illness. Maybe it's just pressure or whatever. Anyway, my bet is that most people that remain at Twitter are interviewing like crazy.
- watwut 4y ago
  > Leaving a well paid job because toilet paper seems very poor capability to deal with frustration in a reasonable way. Why? It is not like Twitter was paying significantly more then others. If you can get job somewhere where management dmxarws about working conditions and pays for clean offices or hygienic supplies, why would it be bad to go there? This idea that employees with choice need to put up with management that don't care about normal office standards, else someone twists it into "poor capability to deal with frustration" or some other nonsense just don't make sense.
- hotpotamus 4y ago
  There's an article that gets thrown around here a lot I believe titled "The Elves Leave Middle-Earth" that I think is quite good, and a good analogy. Basically, it says that when the neat perks of working in a tech company start getting taken away by the bean counters, it's a sign of trouble on the horizon, and the Elves, the top talent, understand the signals and quickly move on. As I've said, I have some issues with the perk culture too, but when the TP is taken away, I think even the Orcs and Trolls can take a hint.

pvaldes 4y ago

Not a bad point. On the other hand, If somebody is being paid solid money for coding around complex logistics problems should be able to solve this simple logistic problem really fast and cheaply, and move on with their lives. Is a transition period for the company. Not all must be perfect. Leaving a well paid job because toilet paper seems very poor capability to deal with frustration in a reasonable way.

paulryanrogers 4y ago
If it were only TP perhaps, besides the sign of a disfuncional management. Now unsanitary bathrooms is another level, and could impact ones health.
adalacelove 4y ago
>Leaving a well paid job because toilet paper seems very poor capability to deal with frustration in a reasonable way. The toilet paper thing would be anecdotical taken in isolation but the reasonable thing at this point is to leave as soon as you secure another similar paying job, even if it's 1/3 less of salary. Contrary to a lot of people I truly think that Musk has quite a lot of merit in the things he has accomplished. Just the fact of trying hard things should be acknowledged. But he has been unstable for a while, in a very obvious way. Who knows if there is some kind of medical condition behind. I know first hand of similar cases were erratic behavior was later found to be caused by some illness. Maybe it's just pressure or whatever. Anyway, my bet is that most people that remain at Twitter are interviewing like crazy.
watwut 4y ago
> Leaving a well paid job because toilet paper seems very poor capability to deal with frustration in a reasonable way. Why? It is not like Twitter was paying significantly more then others. If you can get job somewhere where management dmxarws about working conditions and pays for clean offices or hygienic supplies, why would it be bad to go there? This idea that employees with choice need to put up with management that don't care about normal office standards, else someone twists it into "poor capability to deal with frustration" or some other nonsense just don't make sense.
hotpotamus 4y ago
There's an article that gets thrown around here a lot I believe titled "The Elves Leave Middle-Earth" that I think is quite good, and a good analogy. Basically, it says that when the neat perks of working in a tech company start getting taken away by the bean counters, it's a sign of trouble on the horizon, and the Elves, the top talent, understand the signals and quickly move on. As I've said, I have some issues with the perk culture too, but when the TP is taken away, I think even the Orcs and Trolls can take a hint.