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This should be illegal.

dazc 4y ago
How does this differ from banks lending money for traditional mortgages, it's just another method of financing? Yes, I know the cost of housing is insane and something should be done about it, but introducing some level of market efficiency isn't necessarily a bad thing. I can't speak for the US but in the UK a huge majority of private landlords are individuals, many of who want to earn a living from renting out two or three homes max. I rent an office from such a person, his sense of entitlement is off the scales. Some of these landlords had the homes fall into their laps via inheritance, some are simply playing an arbitrage game, very few are actually doing anything economically productive. Anything that threatens this method of exploitation has to be positive.
- mpeg 4y ago
  Indeed, as a UK renter dealing with one of these mega landlords (eg Greystar) is so much better than the usual exploitation game that private landlords play.
  - beowulfey 4y ago
    Fascinating. My experience in the US is the exact opposite. Corporate landlords are generally awful, where everything they rent out is full of shoddy repairs and minimum-cost ‘luxury facilities’ to drive up rent. Private landlords, particularly where the owners live in the same building, are almost always better. My experience has largely been in urban areas of the US, not sure about smaller towns; I suspect higher demand is what allows for it.
    - kennend3 4y ago
      Individual experiences are anecdotal but here's a few of mine. My Son lives in a "mega landlord" unit in Saskatoon (Canada) and it is well maintained and his rental fee is very reasonable. My Son-in-law lives in a "mega landlord" unit in New Jersey (USA) and it is also in excellent condition. I personally rented from a private individual in Connecticut for several years and it was a slumhouse. Landlord was never around, no one to call when things didnt work. we actually had to fix the heating system in Jan because we were freezing cold and the owner was once again MIA.
    - stonepresto 4y ago
      I've had the same experience. Terrible treatment by large management companies. Moved as a result to a private landlord and they're fantastic.
    - jltsiren 4y ago
      In my experience, the main benefit of corporate landlords is predictability. Especially when they are large. They have a reputation, and you know in advance what you get. Private landlords are a gamble. They are better on the average, but the variance is also higher. Because most private landlords only have a handful of properties, it's effectively impossible to know in advance what they will be like if something goes wrong.
    - andylynch 4y ago
      My guess here is that in part to how common renting has traditionally been in the UK (pre WWI , something like 9/10 homes were rented, this greatly declined to ~7% until rising again since the nineties). More than a few big UK landlords have been around for centuries.
    - bombolo 4y ago
      Probably in uk it's not so widespread yet, so they can't show their true face yet.
- vlovich123 4y ago
  One major difference is that a mortgage is essentially “rent to own” - at the end of the repayment you own the property. Here ownership remains with JPMorgan?
  - okasaki 4y ago
    But if you're renting you're paying the landlord's mortgage not your own and you own nothing either way.
    - dazc 4y ago
      Sure, but renting is going to be what a lot of people continue to do - save some miracle of market disruption.
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    - barbarousbull 4y ago
      Most BTL (buy-to-let) landlords will have interest only mortgages. You wont be paying down their capital as they have none. The revenue that they generate is the difference between your rent payment and the interest payment. The landlord will never own the property.
kennend3 4y ago
what you fail to grasp is that in many cases this will be a positive thing. How many "slumlords" are in the marketplace today? people illegally renting "rooming houses", illegal basement units, etc. Perhaps JPM entering the realestate rental business might put a "floor" on the low quality rental units? Lastly, what makes buying property and renting it out illegal? If you owned a house would you like renting it out to be illegal?
- blackhaz 4y ago
  Illegal basement units? Immaculate, spacious, architecturally distinct £1M maisonettes with period features and private patios.
  - kennend3 4y ago
    Not sure your focus on UK, but the article speaks to JPM spending in the US where illegal basement apartments are very common. https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/bringing-basement-apartments-into-the-light/ https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/bringing-basement-apartm...
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throwaway6734 4y ago
No it shouldn't
hackerlight 4y ago
No. You are focused too downstream and skipping the source of the problem. What should be illegal is the surrounding context that causes JP Morgan's decision to buy up units to be detrimental in the first place. This is zoning restrictions that block new unit construction. Without such restrictions, JP Morgan buying up thousands of units does little to both rents and unit values in the long-run.
- scarface74 4y ago
  What does buying existing housing have to do with the article?
abigail95 4y ago
Illegal, to invest in housing? Imagine if it were illegal to invest in farms, or trucking companies.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  It is viable to make it illegal, don’t act surprised
- ilyt 4y ago
  The investment promoted here should be ones buying more houses, not renting out existing ones
scarface74 4y ago
It should be illegal for corporation to spend money to build new housing units?

dazc 4y ago

How does this differ from banks lending money for traditional mortgages, it's just another method of financing? Yes, I know the cost of housing is insane and something should be done about it, but introducing some level of market efficiency isn't necessarily a bad thing. I can't speak for the US but in the UK a huge majority of private landlords are individuals, many of who want to earn a living from renting out two or three homes max. I rent an office from such a person, his sense of entitlement is off the scales. Some of these landlords had the homes fall into their laps via inheritance, some are simply playing an arbitrage game, very few are actually doing anything economically productive. Anything that threatens this method of exploitation has to be positive.

mpeg 4y ago
Indeed, as a UK renter dealing with one of these mega landlords (eg Greystar) is so much better than the usual exploitation game that private landlords play.
- beowulfey 4y ago
  Fascinating. My experience in the US is the exact opposite. Corporate landlords are generally awful, where everything they rent out is full of shoddy repairs and minimum-cost ‘luxury facilities’ to drive up rent. Private landlords, particularly where the owners live in the same building, are almost always better. My experience has largely been in urban areas of the US, not sure about smaller towns; I suspect higher demand is what allows for it.
  - kennend3 4y ago
    Individual experiences are anecdotal but here's a few of mine. My Son lives in a "mega landlord" unit in Saskatoon (Canada) and it is well maintained and his rental fee is very reasonable. My Son-in-law lives in a "mega landlord" unit in New Jersey (USA) and it is also in excellent condition. I personally rented from a private individual in Connecticut for several years and it was a slumhouse. Landlord was never around, no one to call when things didnt work. we actually had to fix the heating system in Jan because we were freezing cold and the owner was once again MIA.
  - stonepresto 4y ago
    I've had the same experience. Terrible treatment by large management companies. Moved as a result to a private landlord and they're fantastic.
  - jltsiren 4y ago
    In my experience, the main benefit of corporate landlords is predictability. Especially when they are large. They have a reputation, and you know in advance what you get. Private landlords are a gamble. They are better on the average, but the variance is also higher. Because most private landlords only have a handful of properties, it's effectively impossible to know in advance what they will be like if something goes wrong.
  - andylynch 4y ago
    My guess here is that in part to how common renting has traditionally been in the UK (pre WWI , something like 9/10 homes were rented, this greatly declined to ~7% until rising again since the nineties). More than a few big UK landlords have been around for centuries.
  - bombolo 4y ago
    Probably in uk it's not so widespread yet, so they can't show their true face yet.
vlovich123 4y ago
One major difference is that a mortgage is essentially “rent to own” - at the end of the repayment you own the property. Here ownership remains with JPMorgan?
- okasaki 4y ago
  But if you're renting you're paying the landlord's mortgage not your own and you own nothing either way.
  - dazc 4y ago
    Sure, but renting is going to be what a lot of people continue to do - save some miracle of market disruption.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - barbarousbull 4y ago
    Most BTL (buy-to-let) landlords will have interest only mortgages. You wont be paying down their capital as they have none. The revenue that they generate is the difference between your rent payment and the interest payment. The landlord will never own the property.

kennend3 4y ago

what you fail to grasp is that in many cases this will be a positive thing. How many "slumlords" are in the marketplace today? people illegally renting "rooming houses", illegal basement units, etc. Perhaps JPM entering the realestate rental business might put a "floor" on the low quality rental units? Lastly, what makes buying property and renting it out illegal? If you owned a house would you like renting it out to be illegal?

blackhaz 4y ago
Illegal basement units? Immaculate, spacious, architecturally distinct £1M maisonettes with period features and private patios.
- kennend3 4y ago
  Not sure your focus on UK, but the article speaks to JPM spending in the US where illegal basement apartments are very common. https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/bringing-basement-apartments-into-the-light/ https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/bringing-basement-apartm...
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throwaway6734 4y ago

No it shouldn't

hackerlight 4y ago

No. You are focused too downstream and skipping the source of the problem. What should be illegal is the surrounding context that causes JP Morgan's decision to buy up units to be detrimental in the first place. This is zoning restrictions that block new unit construction. Without such restrictions, JP Morgan buying up thousands of units does little to both rents and unit values in the long-run.

scarface74 4y ago
What does buying existing housing have to do with the article?

abigail95 4y ago

Illegal, to invest in housing? Imagine if it were illegal to invest in farms, or trucking companies.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
It is viable to make it illegal, don’t act surprised
ilyt 4y ago
The investment promoted here should be ones buying more houses, not renting out existing ones

scarface74 4y ago

It should be illegal for corporation to spend money to build new housing units?