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Ah sorry, I had a feeling that phrase was going to be problematic. I tried to surround it with the context around the game theory required in first past the pos

Ah sorry, I had a feeling that phrase was going to be problematic. I tried to surround it with the context around the game theory required in first past the post. To clarify what I meant, with FPTP you have to be quite tactical because of how that system fundamentally works. With Ranked Choice the effect and likelihood is far less. Importantly the second order effects are meaningful. Even if your vote was exhausted it still captures your opinion, and can influence the next election because you can record your opinion for others to see. With FPTP, we don’t record everyone’s opinion on who is best suited for office, rather we record who you think everyone thinks will win (else your vote can be wasted or work against your intent). IMHO if you need to vote strategically with Ranked Choice, it’s implementation has been warped and needs to be improved. Like everything brevity is required before you can dive into the nuance. Perhaps a better way to describe ranked choice is that you can’t waste your vote like you can with FPTP. Wasting a vote has a much more specific meaning than the general usage I come across, which complicates this more. [0] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasted_vote https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasted_vote

rmccue 4y ago
Worth noting that (at least for national elections) your first preference also affects which political parties receive funding, so there’s an advantage to preferencing a party first even if they won’t be elected.
scaredginger 4y ago
Fair enough, I mostly agree with you. I was just trying to say that it's not really feasible to eliminate game theory from voting entirely. I wish that nuance was discussed, but seeing as so many people still seem to think they can only put an LNP or Labor candidate for their first preference, I may be fighting a losing battle
- ojkelly 4y ago
  I feel like a law of game theory is you can’t eliminate game theory. But, I think it needs to be minimised to such an extent that we don’t need to bring it up. And that, even if your vote doesn’t elect someone this election, it sends a powerful message (because it’s your honest genuine intention) for the next. I don’t think it’s a losing battle. If anything the last Australian federal election showed not only how good Ranked Choice is at conveying voter intention, but that a meaningful number of us understand it. The LNP stopped representing their base (perhaps in a similar way to the ALP with the Greens) which opened the door for the Teal independents. As an outsider looking in to US politics it appears as though similar issues exist, but there are no viable alternatives. In a positive sign for democracy US voters largely rejected candidates who were sowing doubt about the elections. Related this thread [0] is a nice dive into the changing political landscape around the world as we age. It’s not following the expected path, and I think a lot has to do with us being more educated than ever. [0] https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1608746369505976323?s=46&t=DWSLAiQkpuBdN8em_HtMQA https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1608746369505976323?...

rmccue 4y ago

Worth noting that (at least for national elections) your first preference also affects which political parties receive funding, so there’s an advantage to preferencing a party first even if they won’t be elected.

scaredginger 4y ago

Fair enough, I mostly agree with you. I was just trying to say that it's not really feasible to eliminate game theory from voting entirely. I wish that nuance was discussed, but seeing as so many people still seem to think they can only put an LNP or Labor candidate for their first preference, I may be fighting a losing battle

ojkelly 4y ago
I feel like a law of game theory is you can’t eliminate game theory. But, I think it needs to be minimised to such an extent that we don’t need to bring it up. And that, even if your vote doesn’t elect someone this election, it sends a powerful message (because it’s your honest genuine intention) for the next. I don’t think it’s a losing battle. If anything the last Australian federal election showed not only how good Ranked Choice is at conveying voter intention, but that a meaningful number of us understand it. The LNP stopped representing their base (perhaps in a similar way to the ALP with the Greens) which opened the door for the Teal independents. As an outsider looking in to US politics it appears as though similar issues exist, but there are no viable alternatives. In a positive sign for democracy US voters largely rejected candidates who were sowing doubt about the elections. Related this thread [0] is a nice dive into the changing political landscape around the world as we age. It’s not following the expected path, and I think a lot has to do with us being more educated than ever. [0] https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1608746369505976323?s=46&t=DWSLAiQkpuBdN8em_HtMQA https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1608746369505976323?...