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Google changes appeals process for suspected child abuse images

neonate 4y ago
https://archive.ph/Kc2oa https://archive.ph/Kc2oa http://web.archive.org/web/20221231064943/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/30/technology/google-appeals-change.html http://web.archive.org/web/20221231064943/https://www.nytime...
ggm 4y ago
Ultimately this is going to require legally enforced appeals processes. "But CSAM" is a great way to stop people hassling you but the underlying problem remains: it's arbitrary who gets excluded and the path back is at best obscure. It's not just CSAM which gets you locked out. I pay for Google one. My hope is that being a paying customer, not trapped in freemium I may fare better if an automaton misapplied a block on me. But I do also have semi annual takout dumps. Under 2FA I think my risk exposure in account loss is still pretty bad. Oauth federated back to Google and lose google? Bad. My best guess is that by now, almost every active google email holder has at one time or another breached their terms of service. Technically, we'd all be on show-cause.
janalsncm 4y ago
> Google has changed its appeals process, giving users accused of the heinous crime of child sexual exploitation the ability to prove their innocence This seems backwards to me. Maybe I’m too American to understand why I should need to prove my innocence. Yes, Google isn’t a court of law but the same principle of justice applies. I guess the best practical advice is to have backups and never to rely on the shifting winds of corporate policy.
- feet 4y ago
  >the same principle of justice applies What I don't understand is why you are making this assumption
  - voakbasda 4y ago
    Indeed. Even the courts do not fully respect this principle. Why should a corporation?
  - janalsncm 4y ago
    Because there’s an asymmetry in how easy it is to make an accusation vs how easy it is to defend oneself from that accusation. That’s why it’s my opinion that you shouldn’t have to prove yourself innocent. I don’t want to live in a world where I’m presumed guilty of whatever offense I can’t immediately shake off.
    - feet 4y ago
      Frankly, your opinion doesn't matter. What matters is what happens in the systems and it isn't that so that is not a reasonable assumption to make

https://archive.ph/Kc2oa https://archive.ph/Kc2oa http://web.archive.org/web/20221231064943/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/30/technology/google-appeals-change.html http://web.archive.org/web/20221231064943/https://www.nytime...

ggm 4y ago

Ultimately this is going to require legally enforced appeals processes. "But CSAM" is a great way to stop people hassling you but the underlying problem remains: it's arbitrary who gets excluded and the path back is at best obscure. It's not just CSAM which gets you locked out. I pay for Google one. My hope is that being a paying customer, not trapped in freemium I may fare better if an automaton misapplied a block on me. But I do also have semi annual takout dumps. Under 2FA I think my risk exposure in account loss is still pretty bad. Oauth federated back to Google and lose google? Bad. My best guess is that by now, almost every active google email holder has at one time or another breached their terms of service. Technically, we'd all be on show-cause.

janalsncm 4y ago

> Google has changed its appeals process, giving users accused of the heinous crime of child sexual exploitation the ability to prove their innocence This seems backwards to me. Maybe I’m too American to understand why I should need to prove my innocence. Yes, Google isn’t a court of law but the same principle of justice applies. I guess the best practical advice is to have backups and never to rely on the shifting winds of corporate policy.

feet 4y ago
>the same principle of justice applies What I don't understand is why you are making this assumption
- voakbasda 4y ago
  Indeed. Even the courts do not fully respect this principle. Why should a corporation?
- janalsncm 4y ago
  Because there’s an asymmetry in how easy it is to make an accusation vs how easy it is to defend oneself from that accusation. That’s why it’s my opinion that you shouldn’t have to prove yourself innocent. I don’t want to live in a world where I’m presumed guilty of whatever offense I can’t immediately shake off.
  - feet 4y ago
    Frankly, your opinion doesn't matter. What matters is what happens in the systems and it isn't that so that is not a reasonable assumption to make