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From my sample of 1 young adults no longer fight to be treated like grown-ups. Moreover, don't seem to want that in the first place.

granshaw 4y ago
I find this pretty interesting - does it go hand in hand with younger generations seeing no hope for their future, whether it be climate change, being financially stable, having a fulfilling life, finding a partner?
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  I mean, housing markets have ensured that they will live at home for longer periods of time and may never be able to own, or even rent a place by themselves. Same thing goes for starting families, the costs are insane and even if you have kids, you will barely see them in order to just pay for their childcare itself. Good luck if you can't afford health insurance and care, either. The opportunities to do "adult things" are pricing out pretty much everyone except the adult children of high earners or the wealthy.
  - barry-cotter 4y ago
    > I mean, housing markets have ensured that they will live at home for longer periods of time and may never be able to own, or even rent a place by themselves. That’s not an inevitability; it’s a policy choice. If zoning was less restrictive more housing could be built. The people are getting what they want, good and hard.
    - heavyset_go 4y ago
      I agree, but many of the people who are negatively affected by zoning restrictions were either children and not born yet when those restrictions were implemented. I wouldn't say they're getting what they want.
- skibidibipiti 4y ago
  Older generations had the incentives of getting to own a house, having a car, having a family, and having enough free time after work to enjoy these perks. Exploitative land lords, congested traffic or long commute times, and working late being a requirement for progression have extracted all the reward. Why do you think the stock market has bubbles so well recently? Boomers have gotten much better at extracting our wealth.
sidlls 4y ago
My sample of 1: I’m (45) dating a younger person (25). In some ways he’s much more mature than my friend group was at his age, but in many ways not. It’s been fascinating to see what his expectations are. His other friends are slightly older (late 20s/early 30s) and all of them still party and do shit me and my friend groups stopped by our junior/senior university years. They just seem to have different expectations of what life is supposed to be like.
missedthecue 4y ago
I also see this very widespread! Young adults today seem to hold desperately onto parts of their youth. Entertainment, experiences, lifestyles, even food and clothing. When I was a kid, it was a scramble to get your driver's license as soon as you were legally old enough. Today I know so many 22 year olds without a license and zero interest in getting it. Where has the ambition gone?
- seba_dos1 4y ago
  > Where has the ambition gone? To be honest, I made my driving license pretty much as soon as I could, but now I don't understand what for. I have never really used it. I don't think I have driven a car for the last 10 years at all in fact, and if I wanted to get a car and start driving now I'm pretty sure I would have to take lessons again, so not being "ambitious" in this regard seems like a perfectly sensible choice to me. My partner had pretty much the exact same experience with their driving license as I did. (as is probably easy to guess, I don't live in the US)
- lostmsu 4y ago
  It's not like I stopped playing the games I played in school age, or stopped liking the foods I liked when I was a kid, or stopped being a lazy one in lifestyle and clothing. This is different.
voviz 4y ago
From my sample of also N=1 (me, a 22 year old college student) I agree. I don't fight with my parents because I'm conflict avoidant. Plus, I'm financially dependent on my parents. I'm not going to risk my food and shelter for abstract ideas like "agency" or "maturing."
- andix 4y ago
  I think it’s really important that parents make their kids financially independent. And if it’s just sending them a fixed amount of money every month as long as they are in college, without any other requirements („it’s not important what and how you do it, as long as you do an education you have xxx$ every month to spend. If you need more, get a job.“) And they should pay all their expenses on their own. So they see how much they need, and that they may not be able to buy food, if they spend it all for gaming or partying.
- BeFlatXIII 4y ago
  I agree. When I was that age, I thought of people who would use conflict to achieve “independence” as being full of hippie ideals for idiots. Enjoy what you can and work behind people’s backs rather than spark conflict.

granshaw 4y ago

I find this pretty interesting - does it go hand in hand with younger generations seeing no hope for their future, whether it be climate change, being financially stable, having a fulfilling life, finding a partner?

heavyset_go 4y ago
I mean, housing markets have ensured that they will live at home for longer periods of time and may never be able to own, or even rent a place by themselves. Same thing goes for starting families, the costs are insane and even if you have kids, you will barely see them in order to just pay for their childcare itself. Good luck if you can't afford health insurance and care, either. The opportunities to do "adult things" are pricing out pretty much everyone except the adult children of high earners or the wealthy.
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  > I mean, housing markets have ensured that they will live at home for longer periods of time and may never be able to own, or even rent a place by themselves. That’s not an inevitability; it’s a policy choice. If zoning was less restrictive more housing could be built. The people are getting what they want, good and hard.
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    I agree, but many of the people who are negatively affected by zoning restrictions were either children and not born yet when those restrictions were implemented. I wouldn't say they're getting what they want.
skibidibipiti 4y ago
Older generations had the incentives of getting to own a house, having a car, having a family, and having enough free time after work to enjoy these perks. Exploitative land lords, congested traffic or long commute times, and working late being a requirement for progression have extracted all the reward. Why do you think the stock market has bubbles so well recently? Boomers have gotten much better at extracting our wealth.

sidlls 4y ago

My sample of 1: I’m (45) dating a younger person (25). In some ways he’s much more mature than my friend group was at his age, but in many ways not. It’s been fascinating to see what his expectations are. His other friends are slightly older (late 20s/early 30s) and all of them still party and do shit me and my friend groups stopped by our junior/senior university years. They just seem to have different expectations of what life is supposed to be like.

missedthecue 4y ago

I also see this very widespread! Young adults today seem to hold desperately onto parts of their youth. Entertainment, experiences, lifestyles, even food and clothing. When I was a kid, it was a scramble to get your driver's license as soon as you were legally old enough. Today I know so many 22 year olds without a license and zero interest in getting it. Where has the ambition gone?

seba_dos1 4y ago
> Where has the ambition gone? To be honest, I made my driving license pretty much as soon as I could, but now I don't understand what for. I have never really used it. I don't think I have driven a car for the last 10 years at all in fact, and if I wanted to get a car and start driving now I'm pretty sure I would have to take lessons again, so not being "ambitious" in this regard seems like a perfectly sensible choice to me. My partner had pretty much the exact same experience with their driving license as I did. (as is probably easy to guess, I don't live in the US)
lostmsu 4y ago
It's not like I stopped playing the games I played in school age, or stopped liking the foods I liked when I was a kid, or stopped being a lazy one in lifestyle and clothing. This is different.

voviz 4y ago

From my sample of also N=1 (me, a 22 year old college student) I agree. I don't fight with my parents because I'm conflict avoidant. Plus, I'm financially dependent on my parents. I'm not going to risk my food and shelter for abstract ideas like "agency" or "maturing."

andix 4y ago
I think it’s really important that parents make their kids financially independent. And if it’s just sending them a fixed amount of money every month as long as they are in college, without any other requirements („it’s not important what and how you do it, as long as you do an education you have xxx$ every month to spend. If you need more, get a job.“) And they should pay all their expenses on their own. So they see how much they need, and that they may not be able to buy food, if they spend it all for gaming or partying.
BeFlatXIII 4y ago
I agree. When I was that age, I thought of people who would use conflict to achieve “independence” as being full of hippie ideals for idiots. Enjoy what you can and work behind people’s backs rather than spark conflict.