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Actually those people do provide specifics and substance, but people (as you here do) have a habit of generalising and dismissing with a broad stroke brush rath

Actually those people do provide specifics and substance, but people (as you here do) have a habit of generalising and dismissing with a broad stroke brush rather than doing some further investigation. The fact you even buy into using the term 'alternate facts' as used by those in power to dismiss counter argument or propose lies as truth highlights your attitude to paying any attention to things not on your 'side' of truth. What you should have done with Trump, is have a look at the actual policies and facts going on behind his bluster, hyperbole and lying. Not everything he put forward was wrong (e.g. some of his foreign policy), much like not everything put forward by Biden is right (for instance student debt forgiven at the federal level, where no student debt is held). Preposterous personalities (Trump's ego and overstatement and Biden's clear cognitive incapacity) are a great distraction from the real machinations.

ss108 4y ago
I had a longer and more comprehensive response, but it was also kind of mean, and I generally don't want to indulge the bad habit of political flame wars with random strangers on the internet. It's a habit I'd like to stow away for good in 2023. One thing I do want to note though is that you somehow assume that I am not taking into consideration Trump's policies. A) I have (in fact, I worked on litigation against some of them). I don't know why you think I haven't. You also seem to assume that if someone were to examine his foreign policy, they would also view some of it as good. Why? I am aware generally of his foreign policy, and I saw little, if anything, to like. Not everyone shares your worldview. B) The big thing I think people of your persuasion miss is morality. I don't think his policies matter that much given the fact that I view him and his supporters* as deeply immoral and fucked up on multiple levels. I feel you will simply never understand this, and thus all of your entreaties and arguments, such as the ones above, will always miss the mark. I believe that you don't understand what the people you are debating think or believe, or why they think and believe it. Also, I don't get your thing about the federal debt--there are plenty of people with federal student loans, myself included. * When I say his "supporters" in this context, I really single out people who particularly like Trump and/or the "new right" more than they like traditional Republicans, conservative ideas. I obviously still have great beef with the Republicans who just went along with him, but I would say my ire is a bit tempered there. I'm still ok sharing a country with them, at least, let's put it that way.

ss108 4y ago

I had a longer and more comprehensive response, but it was also kind of mean, and I generally don't want to indulge the bad habit of political flame wars with random strangers on the internet. It's a habit I'd like to stow away for good in 2023. One thing I do want to note though is that you somehow assume that I am not taking into consideration Trump's policies. A) I have (in fact, I worked on litigation against some of them). I don't know why you think I haven't. You also seem to assume that if someone were to examine his foreign policy, they would also view some of it as good. Why? I am aware generally of his foreign policy, and I saw little, if anything, to like. Not everyone shares your worldview. B) The big thing I think people of your persuasion miss is morality. I don't think his policies matter that much given the fact that I view him and his supporters* as deeply immoral and fucked up on multiple levels. I feel you will simply never understand this, and thus all of your entreaties and arguments, such as the ones above, will always miss the mark. I believe that you don't understand what the people you are debating think or believe, or why they think and believe it. Also, I don't get your thing about the federal debt--there are plenty of people with federal student loans, myself included. * When I say his "supporters" in this context, I really single out people who particularly like Trump and/or the "new right" more than they like traditional Republicans, conservative ideas. I obviously still have great beef with the Republicans who just went along with him, but I would say my ire is a bit tempered there. I'm still ok sharing a country with them, at least, let's put it that way.