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> Yet they also expect children to live away from home fairly early for college Except American children away from home 'for college' are still exactly 'childr

by OJFord 4y ago

> Yet they also expect children to live away from home fairly early for college Except American children away from home 'for college' are still exactly 'children', home with different parents. The culture of halls and canteens and the way it's funded is much more 'provided for you' than 'you're providing for yourself now'. I don't get the sense (from NA undergrads I've known, film, etc.) that much learning to cook goes on, for example. Certainly anyone living 'off-campus' and having bills to pay is in a minority.

zmgsabst 4y ago
In my experience, college is when that transition happens: - freshman year, start off supported and end with a job - sophomore year, housing is dorms but otherwise on your own - junior and senior year, apartments with roommates and supporting yourself
- throwaway1777 4y ago
  That’s one experience but it varies between schools.
- weakfortress 4y ago
  What era is this? Certainly it's not the last 20-25 years. I don't remember being able to afford anything until after I graduated and was fortunate enough to have parents that let me live in the basement while I got on my feet. My college jobs were barely enough to feed me, pay the interest on my loans, and pay my parents a pittance for my chunk of the power bill. Maybe it's easier for these kids to get a programming gig paying 70k+ while they're in school but when I was a kid companies wouldn't even look at you until you could guarantee 40 hours plus overtime.
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  - Larrikin 4y ago
    The housing transition seems to be the same for the four years but parents are heavily supplanting the budget. Colleges typically force all freshmen with out a local address to be in the dorms and have a full meal plan but there's typically a tuition saving if you can get the friends you've made in the first couple years to all go in with you on an apartment. Even more if you bothered to learn how to cook and can lower your meal plan. But I do not think it's typical for any of those students to be getting an apartment without a parental guarantor, even if they have a needs based schedule and are packing their non school hours with work.
  - sudosteph 4y ago
    That was doable when I was attending in the the early 2010s. I did exactly that, except I also lived off campus my sophomore year. But that was only doable then because it was an in-state public college in a LCOL city. I was paying $300/mo for my share of rent and utilities. That cost alone is at least doubled now. My $9/hr job for 15-20 hours a week covered everything to live, and need based pell grants covered most of tuition to with a few small loans through the govt that didn't require payments before graduation (abt 2k pet semester). When I found a new part-time gig my junior year that paid $27/hr, I was set up to be in a very be good place compared to most college students. Again, cost of living alone has made that path very difficult today. But it was a thing not that long ago.
  - sidlls 4y ago
    I moved into an apartment before my freshman year was done. Worked two jobs and had loans, scholarships, etc. That was a bit more than 25 years ago though.
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- citizenpaul 4y ago
  Sounds ideal however such a tranisiton is never really encouraged or enforced. I would argue that dependency is encouraged, probably because its hugely profitable. I would say the most common message is much like"think of the children" , "think about your education" plently of time to learn real life skills after you graduate with huge amounts of dorm debt.
jasonhansel 4y ago
> Certainly anyone living 'off-campus' and having bills to pay is in a minority. Only among wealthier students: - 70% of students have jobs while enrolled, depending crucially on socioeconomic status: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/11/18/most-college-students-work-and-thats-both-good-and-bad https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/11/18/most-college-... - In typical public colleges, only 36% of students live in dorms, vs. 58% in typical private colleges: https://collegeaffordability.urban.org/prices-and-expenses/room-and-board https://collegeaffordability.urban.org/prices-and-expenses/r... - 36% of students face food insecurity: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/03/the-hidden-crisis-on-college-campuses-36-percent-of-students-dont-have-enough-to-eat/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/03/the-h...
- tnel77 4y ago
  Related: I went to a private school and they required you to live on campus until you were a senior. Also: the namesake of the college owned the student housing so he was making serious money from all that forced rental income.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    Sounds like you got a really good education
    - tnel77 4y ago
      It was actually a solid education, but, in hindsight, I should have went to a more affordable college.
      - ipaddr 4y ago
        Didn't want to comment on the quality of the education I'm sure it's top quality most private schools are. My comment was more that seeing how this system works is the real education. Get a locked in population to purchase housing which is owned by the founder gets around rules. This would be similiar to a judge owning a prison and sending everyone there for profit.
this_user 4y ago
As a European, US colleges/universities seem more like boarding schools. Here, no university would think that they have any business interfering with students' personal lives or anything they do outside a lecture hall, because they are considered adults. More broadly speaking, there seems to be a tendency in current US culture of infantilising young adults. I have repeatedly seen people in their early 20s referred to as "kids" and treated as such. The interesting question is where this comes from, because I don't think this has always been the case, even in the US.
- standardUser 4y ago
  I wouldn't take that line of reasoning too far. Most kids in the US don't go to college and many that do never live in a dorm. And for most schools with dorms, dorm living is only the first year or two for most students. Maybe it's different at expensive private schools in the US, but the vast majority of Americans never attend those schools.
  - jasonhansel 4y ago
    > Most kids in the US don't go to college It's about 63% of high-school grads, including both 2-year and 4-year colleges: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpa https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpa
    - alex_young 4y ago
      From the same source: The overall college enrollment rate for 18- to 24-year-olds was 40 percent in 2020. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpb/college-enrollment-rate https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpb/college-enrol...
      - bbreier 4y ago
        Many students will have graduated by the time they are 24, so it is possible that both statements 1. the majority of American children go to college and 2. 40 percent of 18-24 year olds are enrolled are simultaneously true
heavyset_go 4y ago
We used to joke that living in certain dorms was like going to sleepaway summer camp, down to the camp leaders, activities, responsibilities, living arrangements, expectations, systems etc.
cafard 4y ago
I never lived in a dorm where one was fed in the cafeteria, but rather did two years at home and two in an on-campus apartment with a kitchen. On the whole, I now think that I really didn't go to college to practice cooking.

by OJFord 4y ago

zmgsabst 4y ago

In my experience, college is when that transition happens: - freshman year, start off supported and end with a job - sophomore year, housing is dorms but otherwise on your own - junior and senior year, apartments with roommates and supporting yourself

throwaway1777 4y ago
That’s one experience but it varies between schools.
weakfortress 4y ago
What era is this? Certainly it's not the last 20-25 years. I don't remember being able to afford anything until after I graduated and was fortunate enough to have parents that let me live in the basement while I got on my feet. My college jobs were barely enough to feed me, pay the interest on my loans, and pay my parents a pittance for my chunk of the power bill. Maybe it's easier for these kids to get a programming gig paying 70k+ while they're in school but when I was a kid companies wouldn't even look at you until you could guarantee 40 hours plus overtime.
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- Larrikin 4y ago
  The housing transition seems to be the same for the four years but parents are heavily supplanting the budget. Colleges typically force all freshmen with out a local address to be in the dorms and have a full meal plan but there's typically a tuition saving if you can get the friends you've made in the first couple years to all go in with you on an apartment. Even more if you bothered to learn how to cook and can lower your meal plan. But I do not think it's typical for any of those students to be getting an apartment without a parental guarantor, even if they have a needs based schedule and are packing their non school hours with work.
- sudosteph 4y ago
  That was doable when I was attending in the the early 2010s. I did exactly that, except I also lived off campus my sophomore year. But that was only doable then because it was an in-state public college in a LCOL city. I was paying $300/mo for my share of rent and utilities. That cost alone is at least doubled now. My $9/hr job for 15-20 hours a week covered everything to live, and need based pell grants covered most of tuition to with a few small loans through the govt that didn't require payments before graduation (abt 2k pet semester). When I found a new part-time gig my junior year that paid $27/hr, I was set up to be in a very be good place compared to most college students. Again, cost of living alone has made that path very difficult today. But it was a thing not that long ago.
- sidlls 4y ago
  I moved into an apartment before my freshman year was done. Worked two jobs and had loans, scholarships, etc. That was a bit more than 25 years ago though.
- weakfortress 4y ago
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citizenpaul 4y ago
Sounds ideal however such a tranisiton is never really encouraged or enforced. I would argue that dependency is encouraged, probably because its hugely profitable. I would say the most common message is much like"think of the children" , "think about your education" plently of time to learn real life skills after you graduate with huge amounts of dorm debt.

jasonhansel 4y ago

> Certainly anyone living 'off-campus' and having bills to pay is in a minority. Only among wealthier students: - 70% of students have jobs while enrolled, depending crucially on socioeconomic status: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/11/18/most-college-students-work-and-thats-both-good-and-bad https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/11/18/most-college-... - In typical public colleges, only 36% of students live in dorms, vs. 58% in typical private colleges: https://collegeaffordability.urban.org/prices-and-expenses/room-and-board https://collegeaffordability.urban.org/prices-and-expenses/r... - 36% of students face food insecurity: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/03/the-hidden-crisis-on-college-campuses-36-percent-of-students-dont-have-enough-to-eat/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/03/the-h...

tnel77 4y ago
Related: I went to a private school and they required you to live on campus until you were a senior. Also: the namesake of the college owned the student housing so he was making serious money from all that forced rental income.
- ipaddr 4y ago
  Sounds like you got a really good education
  - tnel77 4y ago
    It was actually a solid education, but, in hindsight, I should have went to a more affordable college.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      Didn't want to comment on the quality of the education I'm sure it's top quality most private schools are. My comment was more that seeing how this system works is the real education. Get a locked in population to purchase housing which is owned by the founder gets around rules. This would be similiar to a judge owning a prison and sending everyone there for profit.

this_user 4y ago

As a European, US colleges/universities seem more like boarding schools. Here, no university would think that they have any business interfering with students' personal lives or anything they do outside a lecture hall, because they are considered adults. More broadly speaking, there seems to be a tendency in current US culture of infantilising young adults. I have repeatedly seen people in their early 20s referred to as "kids" and treated as such. The interesting question is where this comes from, because I don't think this has always been the case, even in the US.

standardUser 4y ago
I wouldn't take that line of reasoning too far. Most kids in the US don't go to college and many that do never live in a dorm. And for most schools with dorms, dorm living is only the first year or two for most students. Maybe it's different at expensive private schools in the US, but the vast majority of Americans never attend those schools.
- jasonhansel 4y ago
  > Most kids in the US don't go to college It's about 63% of high-school grads, including both 2-year and 4-year colleges: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpa https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpa
  - alex_young 4y ago
    From the same source: The overall college enrollment rate for 18- to 24-year-olds was 40 percent in 2020. https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpb/college-enrollment-rate https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpb/college-enrol...
    - bbreier 4y ago
      Many students will have graduated by the time they are 24, so it is possible that both statements 1. the majority of American children go to college and 2. 40 percent of 18-24 year olds are enrolled are simultaneously true

heavyset_go 4y ago

We used to joke that living in certain dorms was like going to sleepaway summer camp, down to the camp leaders, activities, responsibilities, living arrangements, expectations, systems etc.

cafard 4y ago

I never lived in a dorm where one was fed in the cafeteria, but rather did two years at home and two in an on-campus apartment with a kitchen. On the whole, I now think that I really didn't go to college to practice cooking.