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An overly-simplistic explanation may be that most engineers don’t care about “how red a red is”, whereas most designers are super interested in their reds being

by ovao 4y ago

An overly-simplistic explanation may be that most engineers don’t care about “how red a red is”, whereas most designers are super interested in their reds being very red. Both camps can be very vocal, but most of us probably hover around other engineers and sparingly around designers.

v0idzer0 4y ago
Yet another example of Apple taking design more seriously than other big tech companies
- alwillis 4y ago
  I think it's also an example of skating to where the puck is going… clearly Apple understood the importance of better color support on the web was going to be important nearly 10 years ago and started working on the hardware and software that would enable it to happen.
alwillis 4y ago
> An overly-simplistic explanation may be that most engineers don’t care about “how red a red is” It certainly is overly-simplistic. The Display P3 color space is about 50% larger than sRGB… there are many thousands of colors that occur naturally that can't be displayed in the sRGB color space, yet our cameras and phones have been capturing these colors for years. Not being able to display graphics and images at full fidelity is a form of information loss and most engineers shouldn't be okay with that. Apple's article "Improving Color on the Web (July 1, 2016)" [1] where they describe how a 2015 iMac and a 2016 iPad Pro had the ability to support Display P3 and how it's supported in the operating system and browser. The demo picture includes someone's orange sneakers standing on grass; many of the green colors of the grass are outside the sRGB color space. Sure, most browsers will display the closest color it can display but the picture isn't as good as it should be. Lost among the recent fuss about image support (JPEG XL, AVIF, WebP) is being able to use better color spaces natively without having to attach or embed a Display P3 color profile (which regular JPEG requires) which are often stripped out by CMSes and unaware web developers. Using Display P3 would probably save online merchants millions of dollars in support costs and returns since fabric dyes are often outside of the sRGB color space and can't be displayed accurately for those customers using (at least today) Chrome or Firefox on non-iOS devices. What's odd is the latest Pixels from Google don't seem to support Display P3 but every device from Apple except the entry level iPads do. The iPhone 7 from 2016 supports Display P3.
- ovao 4y ago
  > Not being able to display graphics and images at full fidelity is a form of information loss and most engineers shouldn't be okay with that. Ultimately, I think it depends pretty highly on the definition of “okay” (as far as the web is concerned, we’ve historically always been okay with many levels of compromise), but I don’t think I’m off the mark in suggesting that the in the hierarchy of concerns of the typical web developer (whatever that may be), P3 color simply isn’t ranked very highly. So “doesn’t care” probably isn’t an entirely accurate way of painting it, but like I said…it’s an over-simplified explanation. Personally, I like to think that I’m pretty aesthetically inclined compared to a lot of my peers, but this is actually the first I’ve even heard of Safari supporting it!

by ovao 4y ago

v0idzer0 4y ago

Yet another example of Apple taking design more seriously than other big tech companies

alwillis 4y ago
I think it's also an example of skating to where the puck is going… clearly Apple understood the importance of better color support on the web was going to be important nearly 10 years ago and started working on the hardware and software that would enable it to happen.

alwillis 4y ago

> An overly-simplistic explanation may be that most engineers don’t care about “how red a red is” It certainly is overly-simplistic. The Display P3 color space is about 50% larger than sRGB… there are many thousands of colors that occur naturally that can't be displayed in the sRGB color space, yet our cameras and phones have been capturing these colors for years. Not being able to display graphics and images at full fidelity is a form of information loss and most engineers shouldn't be okay with that. Apple's article "Improving Color on the Web (July 1, 2016)" [1] where they describe how a 2015 iMac and a 2016 iPad Pro had the ability to support Display P3 and how it's supported in the operating system and browser. The demo picture includes someone's orange sneakers standing on grass; many of the green colors of the grass are outside the sRGB color space. Sure, most browsers will display the closest color it can display but the picture isn't as good as it should be. Lost among the recent fuss about image support (JPEG XL, AVIF, WebP) is being able to use better color spaces natively without having to attach or embed a Display P3 color profile (which regular JPEG requires) which are often stripped out by CMSes and unaware web developers. Using Display P3 would probably save online merchants millions of dollars in support costs and returns since fabric dyes are often outside of the sRGB color space and can't be displayed accurately for those customers using (at least today) Chrome or Firefox on non-iOS devices. What's odd is the latest Pixels from Google don't seem to support Display P3 but every device from Apple except the entry level iPads do. The iPhone 7 from 2016 supports Display P3.

ovao 4y ago
> Not being able to display graphics and images at full fidelity is a form of information loss and most engineers shouldn't be okay with that. Ultimately, I think it depends pretty highly on the definition of “okay” (as far as the web is concerned, we’ve historically always been okay with many levels of compromise), but I don’t think I’m off the mark in suggesting that the in the hierarchy of concerns of the typical web developer (whatever that may be), P3 color simply isn’t ranked very highly. So “doesn’t care” probably isn’t an entirely accurate way of painting it, but like I said…it’s an over-simplified explanation. Personally, I like to think that I’m pretty aesthetically inclined compared to a lot of my peers, but this is actually the first I’ve even heard of Safari supporting it!