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The Blind Spot

20 points by jcpst 4y ago

xenago 4y ago
Great piece. Hard to ignore these impacts. Healthcare collapse is underway here in Canada
- petermcneeley 4y ago
  It would be nice if child tylenol was on store shelves so that Parents dont have to goto the emergency.
petermcneeley 4y ago
The word "mask" appears 14 times in this article.
- jdub108 4y ago
  Probably correlated with it being an article related COVID & public health?
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  Weird. Lots more articles mentioning masks since 2020. Need to do some analysis on that.
Octokiddie 4y ago
> From the airlines, to healthcare, to education, to restaurants, every industry that requires workers to be in-person, face-to-face with customers, has seen drastic issues with staffing since COVID began. Those staffing issues worsened when masks came off. This is precisely the outcome public health experts warned of when “the urgency of brunch” was pursued as national pandemic strategy. This seems to be the thesis. What I don't see is a link to anything demonstrating that masks played a material role in controlling the pandemic. By now, it's very common for people to know of others who have contracted covid despite multiple vaccinations. Where are the clinical data showing efficacy of current vaccines against contracting and spreading covid?
mustafabisic1 4y ago
Implications of this are huge. Another that comes to mind is how many businesses have been left in shambles after their owner had died. There was a thriving coffee shop here in my neighbourhood and after the owner (42 y/o) had died of covid it's close to collapsing now. We'll need much more to recover from this than we had hoped.
Waterluvian 4y ago
> It’s glaringly obvious that an extra 1,000 deaths of individuals over 50 every single day for nearly 3 years would have an effect on the electorate… COVID killed older and more vulnerable people disproportionately. I’m curious how much this cannibalized the typical mortality rates (categories?) for these groups. That is, what percentage of these individuals would have died over those two years anyways? I imagine this has been studied but I can’t find any sources (and the internet is full of conspiracy junk on this topic.) Is it statistically significant at all? Or is it truly an extra 1000 deaths per day? (I’m not implying it would be so significant as to change the point being made… I’m intuiting maybe a few percent)
- base698 4y ago
  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v... > IFR of COVID-19 among non-elderly populations in the pre-vaccination era is substantially lower than previously calculated (4-8,59), especially in the younger age strata. Median IFRs show a clear age-gradient with approximately 3-4-fold increase for each decade but it starts from as low as 0.0003% among children and adolescents and it reaches 0.5% in the 60-69 years old age group.
- cortesoft 4y ago
  People really overestimate the mortality rate for people over 50... here are the actual mortality stats for the US: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html On average, a 50 year old is going to live another 30 years. Even a 74 year old is going to live an average of another 12 years. People tend to think that average lifespan works like "take average lifespan, subtract your age, and that is how long you can expect to live" This isn't true, however, as you approach the expected lifespan of the population as a whole. Most people alive will keep living for a while, even if you are pretty old. Even an 80 year old is likely to live another 8 years on average. So yes, increased mortality for old people kills people who would be alive for many more years on average.
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
Blackstrat 4y ago
An agenda piece, nothing more. Look at her byline.
encoderer 4y ago
Just another mask crusader.

The Blind Spot

20 points by jcpst 4y ago

xenago 4y ago

Great piece. Hard to ignore these impacts. Healthcare collapse is underway here in Canada

petermcneeley 4y ago
It would be nice if child tylenol was on store shelves so that Parents dont have to goto the emergency.

petermcneeley 4y ago

The word "mask" appears 14 times in this article.

jdub108 4y ago
Probably correlated with it being an article related COVID & public health?
quickthrower2 4y ago
Weird. Lots more articles mentioning masks since 2020. Need to do some analysis on that.

Octokiddie 4y ago

> From the airlines, to healthcare, to education, to restaurants, every industry that requires workers to be in-person, face-to-face with customers, has seen drastic issues with staffing since COVID began. Those staffing issues worsened when masks came off. This is precisely the outcome public health experts warned of when “the urgency of brunch” was pursued as national pandemic strategy. This seems to be the thesis. What I don't see is a link to anything demonstrating that masks played a material role in controlling the pandemic. By now, it's very common for people to know of others who have contracted covid despite multiple vaccinations. Where are the clinical data showing efficacy of current vaccines against contracting and spreading covid?

mustafabisic1 4y ago

Implications of this are huge. Another that comes to mind is how many businesses have been left in shambles after their owner had died. There was a thriving coffee shop here in my neighbourhood and after the owner (42 y/o) had died of covid it's close to collapsing now. We'll need much more to recover from this than we had hoped.

Waterluvian 4y ago

> It’s glaringly obvious that an extra 1,000 deaths of individuals over 50 every single day for nearly 3 years would have an effect on the electorate… COVID killed older and more vulnerable people disproportionately. I’m curious how much this cannibalized the typical mortality rates (categories?) for these groups. That is, what percentage of these individuals would have died over those two years anyways? I imagine this has been studied but I can’t find any sources (and the internet is full of conspiracy junk on this topic.) Is it statistically significant at all? Or is it truly an extra 1000 deaths per day? (I’m not implying it would be so significant as to change the point being made… I’m intuiting maybe a few percent)

base698 4y ago
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v1.full https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v... > IFR of COVID-19 among non-elderly populations in the pre-vaccination era is substantially lower than previously calculated (4-8,59), especially in the younger age strata. Median IFRs show a clear age-gradient with approximately 3-4-fold increase for each decade but it starts from as low as 0.0003% among children and adolescents and it reaches 0.5% in the 60-69 years old age group.
cortesoft 4y ago
People really overestimate the mortality rate for people over 50... here are the actual mortality stats for the US: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html On average, a 50 year old is going to live another 30 years. Even a 74 year old is going to live an average of another 12 years. People tend to think that average lifespan works like "take average lifespan, subtract your age, and that is how long you can expect to live" This isn't true, however, as you approach the expected lifespan of the population as a whole. Most people alive will keep living for a while, even if you are pretty old. Even an 80 year old is likely to live another 8 years on average. So yes, increased mortality for old people kills people who would be alive for many more years on average.
- Waterluvian 4y ago

Blackstrat 4y ago

An agenda piece, nothing more. Look at her byline.

encoderer 4y ago

Just another mask crusader.