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I don’t know enough about your situation so not talking about your dad specifically… but there must be something else involved here than just culture war and po

I don’t know enough about your situation so not talking about your dad specifically… but there must be something else involved here than just culture war and political powerlessness. Eg going to church and laughing at people who die from AIDS are not easily compatible (or at least _should not_ be easily compatible) parts of one’s life.

tim333 4y ago
He specifically laughed at gay people who had aids as he regarded it as their fault. He later apologized. https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-rush-limbaugh-mock-aids-death-radio-show-1570282 https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-rush-limbaugh-mock-a...
scarecrowbob 4y ago
Well, I can't disagree that there is not some deep hypocrisy in being both a christian and mocking dying people. In my experience, this combination of things are quite common. Their (Episcopal) church started doing a different communion process simply because it was revealed that the organist was out and parishioners did not want to share a common cup with him. There are a lot of ways of describing why that doesn't seem cruel to those folks. To me, "culture war and political powerlessness" could be short hand for a number of things, ranging from neurosis to Žižek-ian "Ideology" to the contradictions of capitalism or the unworkability of philosophical idealism at the core of liberal practices. It's a fact that these seemingly incompatible positions have gone together, though. So I suppose you could just say folks are "evil" but, that feels like it misses some nuance.
- foreverCarlos 4y ago
  Thanks for your analysis. To clarify my earlier remark: there must be something _personal_ that is at play here. While political, social, cultural dissonances are all often very visible and clearly externalized, personal grievances and deep confusion can be left unseen. (Again, to be sure - not talking about your dad specifically since I am just a stranger on the Internet.) I am hinting at depression of a kind a person experiences late in their life when all hope for change and personal growth starts to fade away. But I also don't want to limit the discussion to this observation only, there are other emotional and intellectual hardships involved: resentment, unhappiness, feeling of injustice, etc.

tim333 4y ago

He specifically laughed at gay people who had aids as he regarded it as their fault. He later apologized. https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-rush-limbaugh-mock-aids-death-radio-show-1570282 https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-rush-limbaugh-mock-a...

scarecrowbob 4y ago

Well, I can't disagree that there is not some deep hypocrisy in being both a christian and mocking dying people. In my experience, this combination of things are quite common. Their (Episcopal) church started doing a different communion process simply because it was revealed that the organist was out and parishioners did not want to share a common cup with him. There are a lot of ways of describing why that doesn't seem cruel to those folks. To me, "culture war and political powerlessness" could be short hand for a number of things, ranging from neurosis to Žižek-ian "Ideology" to the contradictions of capitalism or the unworkability of philosophical idealism at the core of liberal practices. It's a fact that these seemingly incompatible positions have gone together, though. So I suppose you could just say folks are "evil" but, that feels like it misses some nuance.

foreverCarlos 4y ago
Thanks for your analysis. To clarify my earlier remark: there must be something _personal_ that is at play here. While political, social, cultural dissonances are all often very visible and clearly externalized, personal grievances and deep confusion can be left unseen. (Again, to be sure - not talking about your dad specifically since I am just a stranger on the Internet.) I am hinting at depression of a kind a person experiences late in their life when all hope for change and personal growth starts to fade away. But I also don't want to limit the discussion to this observation only, there are other emotional and intellectual hardships involved: resentment, unhappiness, feeling of injustice, etc.