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> That is similar to M-W definition 2a, no? Sure, but doesn't it fit the way it was used? And it's an archived version of the page from 2017, so it can't be fr

> That is similar to M-W definition 2a, no? Sure, but doesn't it fit the way it was used? And it's an archived version of the page from 2017, so it can't be from Covid. > But specific venues being closed, even ridiculously, still does not imply population wide "lockdown". But it wasn't just specific venues. It was everywhere except grocery stores and medical facilities. > Find me more examples than the few counties in California, and I'll add them to my list. I'm sure more places did exist, it just didn't seem to be a large part of the country, from what I can tell. Aren't all of the states in https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay-at-home-order.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay... that I previously linked to more examples?

mindslight 4y ago
I was only saying that m-w.com definition 2b is from Covid (look at the first example sentence). I was saying that M-W definition 2a and the dictionary.com definition from 2017 apply to a specific place. Sorry, I must have brushed off the NYT link because its hard to read with their javascript plus nagwall. My state is on there, highlighted, and described as having an "order", yet it was not an order with the force of law. I started going through their list of states and links to orders/coverage. I made it through "N", for a total of 30 states on the list (out of 34 states whose names start with N or below). My definition of a bona fide stay at home order is something that encompasses all individual behavior in general, and then may carve out exceptions - as contrasted with something that only prohibits explicit activities. Thus, I'm still counting states with an exception for outdoor recreation as having an order. There are a few states with some pretty wide exceptions that would seem to make the order basically unenforceable, but I'll count that as having an order, both philosophically and practically (I don't want to go back and re-analyze each order). Of those 30, 17 have orders stated with the force of law, 6 are mere suggestions and not orders, and 7 were indeterminate by my quick scan (the link to official decree rotted with time). Bona fide legal orders are much more prevalent than I had thought, and apparently I didn't realize how sensibly my own state handled things. I heard people in my own state commonly refer to the (nonexistent) stay at home order, and figured it was mostly similar elsewhere despite the media's narrative (eg extrapolate from that NYT page being incorrect for my state). I still question how long these orders were actually in effect, and the general tendency to label everything as a "lockdown" when most of what people are referring to is closing specific businesses and venues for specific reasons. But I do concede the point it was more than a few counties in California.

mindslight 4y ago

I was only saying that m-w.com definition 2b is from Covid (look at the first example sentence). I was saying that M-W definition 2a and the dictionary.com definition from 2017 apply to a specific place. Sorry, I must have brushed off the NYT link because its hard to read with their javascript plus nagwall. My state is on there, highlighted, and described as having an "order", yet it was not an order with the force of law. I started going through their list of states and links to orders/coverage. I made it through "N", for a total of 30 states on the list (out of 34 states whose names start with N or below). My definition of a bona fide stay at home order is something that encompasses all individual behavior in general, and then may carve out exceptions - as contrasted with something that only prohibits explicit activities. Thus, I'm still counting states with an exception for outdoor recreation as having an order. There are a few states with some pretty wide exceptions that would seem to make the order basically unenforceable, but I'll count that as having an order, both philosophically and practically (I don't want to go back and re-analyze each order). Of those 30, 17 have orders stated with the force of law, 6 are mere suggestions and not orders, and 7 were indeterminate by my quick scan (the link to official decree rotted with time). Bona fide legal orders are much more prevalent than I had thought, and apparently I didn't realize how sensibly my own state handled things. I heard people in my own state commonly refer to the (nonexistent) stay at home order, and figured it was mostly similar elsewhere despite the media's narrative (eg extrapolate from that NYT page being incorrect for my state). I still question how long these orders were actually in effect, and the general tendency to label everything as a "lockdown" when most of what people are referring to is closing specific businesses and venues for specific reasons. But I do concede the point it was more than a few counties in California.