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I've been hard pressed to find anyone who honestly believes there should be zero consequences for violating laws or generally acting in an anti-social manner.

I've been hard pressed to find anyone who honestly believes there should be zero consequences for violating laws or generally acting in an anti-social manner. What I find a lot is folks who believe the entire judicial system, police, prison, courts, and laws, is basically broken and the whole thing should be torn down, to be replaced with something that has the same core mission (that is, enforce adherence to a set of rules/mores that generate a stable, safe, productive society), but doesn't have the centuries of problematic culture baked in. It is an abolition movement, not because folks don't want consequences for their actions, but because the police state does not appear to have a stable, safe, and productive society as its core goal.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago
> It is an abolition movement, not because folks don't want consequences for their actions, but because the police state does not appear to have a stable, safe, and productive society as its core goal. Have you spoken to any minorities? As an Asian immigrant, I feel much safer with more police and will support more funding for police. As a democracy, we should listen to what people want (acting otherwise is fascist). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/growing-share-of-americans-say-they-want-more-spending-on-police-in-their-area/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/growing-sha... > The share of adults who say spending on policing in their area should be increased now stands at 47%, up from 31% in June 2020. That includes 21% who say funding for their local police should be increased a lot, up from 11% who said this last summer. The police are not perfect but the hard data and critical thinking doesn't support the assertion that we have a police state. As someone who emigrated from an actual police state to the US, please travel to a real police state and then compare it to the system we have here. > I've been hard pressed to find anyone who honestly believes there should be zero consequences for violating laws or generally acting in an anti-social manner. Really? There are huge swathes of population that thinks that way.

cscurmudgeon 4y ago

> It is an abolition movement, not because folks don't want consequences for their actions, but because the police state does not appear to have a stable, safe, and productive society as its core goal. Have you spoken to any minorities? As an Asian immigrant, I feel much safer with more police and will support more funding for police. As a democracy, we should listen to what people want (acting otherwise is fascist). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/growing-share-of-americans-say-they-want-more-spending-on-police-in-their-area/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/growing-sha... > The share of adults who say spending on policing in their area should be increased now stands at 47%, up from 31% in June 2020. That includes 21% who say funding for their local police should be increased a lot, up from 11% who said this last summer. The police are not perfect but the hard data and critical thinking doesn't support the assertion that we have a police state. As someone who emigrated from an actual police state to the US, please travel to a real police state and then compare it to the system we have here. > I've been hard pressed to find anyone who honestly believes there should be zero consequences for violating laws or generally acting in an anti-social manner. Really? There are huge swathes of population that thinks that way.