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This isn’t really “special treatment” so much as it’s “how federal bail works”. For a breakdown: https://www.serioustrouble.show/p/how-did-sam-bankman-fried-get

by akerl_ 4y ago

This isn’t really “special treatment” so much as it’s “how federal bail works”. For a breakdown: https://www.serioustrouble.show/p/how-did-sam-bankman-fried-get-bail https://www.serioustrouble.show/p/how-did-sam-bankman-fried-...

notch656c 4y ago
Internet and computer access are "how federal bail works" as bail condition for serious internet and computer based crime?
- maxbond 4y ago
  He didn't commit a computer based crime. We don't know yet that the wallet wasn't seized by authorities. It's super suspicious, and if he withdrew the money the hammer will come down on him, but we shouldn't jump to conclusions.
- themitigating 4y ago
  This is a financial crimes right?
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  He is being charged with conspiracy, securities fraud, and money laundering. Those are financial crimes. They are only "computer-based" in the sense that cryptocurrency is coded as "tech" and he ran a website. This is in contrast to something like malicious exploitation of computer systems and being charged under the CFAA.
  - notch656c 4y ago
    ... the crime revolved around use of computers and incentivizing people to fund and use his FTX computer based "exchange." It seems like a hard stretch to not consider it computer based.
    - qwytw 4y ago
      Any financial crime in the past 20-30 years is computer based according to that definition.
    - maxbond 4y ago
      So is every fraudster since like 2010 a "computer criminal?" People are usually restricted from using a computer because they're alleged to be hackers, eg, they're using a computer to break the law, not conducting business over a computer that happens to be fraudulent. He was already forbidden to do the thing he may have done. If he did, things are going to go very poorly for him. Again, from where I'm standing, it's just as likely that he gave the wallet up to prosecutors, perhaps as part of a plea deal. It's entirely possible he's attempting to make off with it, but I don't see any reason to jump to that conclusion without additional evidence. ETA: The no KYC exchange is certainly a strong indication it wasn't prosecutors. Perhaps he's been hacked, but that wouldn't be my first hypothesis. Seems like extraordinarily poor judgment, but hey, that's kind of his deal I guess. Or I guess the explanation we're all ignoring is; the court did approve this. Possibly, as someone pointed out elsewhere in the thread, to pay his legal fees.
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- akerl_ 4y ago
  Sidestepping for a second that he wasn’t charged with internet or computer based crimes, “yes”.
  - notch656c 4y ago
    Good to know the alleged crime wasn't centered around FTX, a computer-based "exchange" and internet website.
    - akerl_ 4y ago
      The list of crimes he’s been indicted for is public. It does not include computer crimes.
prepend 4y ago
There could be conditions on federal bail like “do not use a computer.” Etc etc It seems he got a sweetheart deal.
- akerl_ 4y ago
  There are conditions on his bail, like a ban on unapproved financial transfers over $1000. There’s no evidence that he got a sweetheart deal; federal bail starts from the assumption that people can be released pending trial, and adds the minimum conditions on top of that based on public safety and ensuring they show up.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > There could be conditions on federal bail like “do not use a computer.” Etc etc There were significant non-financial conditions on SBF’s bail. > It seems he got a sweetheart deal. The only way that’s even remotely justifiable as a description is in the ratio of security to the bail amount (the penalty for which he and his sureties become liable should he violate the bail requirements), but that is just as aptly described as him getting an extraordinarily high bail amount.

by akerl_ 4y ago

notch656c 4y ago

Internet and computer access are "how federal bail works" as bail condition for serious internet and computer based crime?

maxbond 4y ago
He didn't commit a computer based crime. We don't know yet that the wallet wasn't seized by authorities. It's super suspicious, and if he withdrew the money the hammer will come down on him, but we shouldn't jump to conclusions.
themitigating 4y ago
This is a financial crimes right?
UncleMeat 4y ago
He is being charged with conspiracy, securities fraud, and money laundering. Those are financial crimes. They are only "computer-based" in the sense that cryptocurrency is coded as "tech" and he ran a website. This is in contrast to something like malicious exploitation of computer systems and being charged under the CFAA.
- notch656c 4y ago
  ... the crime revolved around use of computers and incentivizing people to fund and use his FTX computer based "exchange." It seems like a hard stretch to not consider it computer based.
  - qwytw 4y ago
    Any financial crime in the past 20-30 years is computer based according to that definition.
  - maxbond 4y ago
    So is every fraudster since like 2010 a "computer criminal?" People are usually restricted from using a computer because they're alleged to be hackers, eg, they're using a computer to break the law, not conducting business over a computer that happens to be fraudulent. He was already forbidden to do the thing he may have done. If he did, things are going to go very poorly for him. Again, from where I'm standing, it's just as likely that he gave the wallet up to prosecutors, perhaps as part of a plea deal. It's entirely possible he's attempting to make off with it, but I don't see any reason to jump to that conclusion without additional evidence. ETA: The no KYC exchange is certainly a strong indication it wasn't prosecutors. Perhaps he's been hacked, but that wouldn't be my first hypothesis. Seems like extraordinarily poor judgment, but hey, that's kind of his deal I guess. Or I guess the explanation we're all ignoring is; the court did approve this. Possibly, as someone pointed out elsewhere in the thread, to pay his legal fees.
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akerl_ 4y ago
Sidestepping for a second that he wasn’t charged with internet or computer based crimes, “yes”.
- notch656c 4y ago
  Good to know the alleged crime wasn't centered around FTX, a computer-based "exchange" and internet website.
  - akerl_ 4y ago
    The list of crimes he’s been indicted for is public. It does not include computer crimes.

prepend 4y ago

There could be conditions on federal bail like “do not use a computer.” Etc etc It seems he got a sweetheart deal.

akerl_ 4y ago
There are conditions on his bail, like a ban on unapproved financial transfers over $1000. There’s no evidence that he got a sweetheart deal; federal bail starts from the assumption that people can be released pending trial, and adds the minimum conditions on top of that based on public safety and ensuring they show up.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> There could be conditions on federal bail like “do not use a computer.” Etc etc There were significant non-financial conditions on SBF’s bail. > It seems he got a sweetheart deal. The only way that’s even remotely justifiable as a description is in the ratio of security to the bail amount (the penalty for which he and his sureties become liable should he violate the bail requirements), but that is just as aptly described as him getting an extraordinarily high bail amount.