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When you pay for FSD part of a lease, then return the car before any part of FSD was ever released to the public (and thus available to you), Tesla refuses to r

by 7e 4y ago

When you pay for FSD part of a lease, then return the car before any part of FSD was ever released to the public (and thus available to you), Tesla refuses to refund. Outright, bald faced fraud.

brookst 4y ago
That is insane and indeed fraud. But who would pay for an undelivered feature on a leased car?
- skyyler 4y ago
  The same people that grew up pre-ordering video games that sometimes never released.
  - CoastalCoder 4y ago
    For me, that would be Star Citizen and Animusic 3. Both were through Kickstarter, so I knew up front that there was some risk. (Although, at least with Star Citizen, I suspect there's a reasonable argument that I'm owed a refund. IMHO Chris Roberts hasn't acted in good faith with our transaction.)
    - TheDesolate0 4y ago
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  - brookst 4y ago
    Fair point, and I’ve certainly wasted a couple of hundred bucks on games that didn’t ship. But even I am smart enougn not to pay to own a non-existent option for a car I am renting.
tzm 4y ago
This isn't what's happening. Anyone who subscribes to FSD has access to current capability features. Like most software services, there are no refunds for software purchased during a billing period.
- synu 4y ago
  Are the current capability features fully self driving (FSD)? I don’t have a Tesla but was under the impression they are not. If not presumably they could argue that they never received what they subscribed to.
  - colmmacc 4y ago
    I lease a Tesla Model S and my app currently advertises all of this for "Full Self-Driving Capability": "Navigate on Autopilot", "Auto Lane Change", "Autopark", "Summon", "Smart Summon", "Traffic light and stop sign Sign Control", "Coming Soon: Autosteer on city streets" for a $15,000 upgrade. There's a separate $6,000 "Enhanced Autopilot" upgrade option that covers the first five features ("Navigate on Autopilot" ... "Smart Summon"). That's all the detail I get. I presume that at least auto park and summon are unlocked immediately, because those worked on my previous leased Model S without being in a beta. The the first feature "Navigate on Autopilot", which is in both options, sounds like has to be an over-sell. How that doesn't imply autosteering is beyond me.
  - cypress66 4y ago
    Anybody (except those with MCU1) can immediately get access to FSD beta right now. You can check on YouTube how good or bad fsd beta is.
- TheDesolate0 4y ago
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by 7e 4y ago

When you pay for FSD part of a lease, then return the car before any part of FSD was ever released to the public (and thus available to you), Tesla refuses to refund. Outright, bald faced fraud.

brookst 4y ago

That is insane and indeed fraud. But who would pay for an undelivered feature on a leased car?

skyyler 4y ago
The same people that grew up pre-ordering video games that sometimes never released.
- CoastalCoder 4y ago
  For me, that would be Star Citizen and Animusic 3. Both were through Kickstarter, so I knew up front that there was some risk. (Although, at least with Star Citizen, I suspect there's a reasonable argument that I'm owed a refund. IMHO Chris Roberts hasn't acted in good faith with our transaction.)
  - TheDesolate0 4y ago
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- brookst 4y ago
  Fair point, and I’ve certainly wasted a couple of hundred bucks on games that didn’t ship. But even I am smart enougn not to pay to own a non-existent option for a car I am renting.

tzm 4y ago

This isn't what's happening. Anyone who subscribes to FSD has access to current capability features. Like most software services, there are no refunds for software purchased during a billing period.

synu 4y ago
Are the current capability features fully self driving (FSD)? I don’t have a Tesla but was under the impression they are not. If not presumably they could argue that they never received what they subscribed to.
- colmmacc 4y ago
  I lease a Tesla Model S and my app currently advertises all of this for "Full Self-Driving Capability": "Navigate on Autopilot", "Auto Lane Change", "Autopark", "Summon", "Smart Summon", "Traffic light and stop sign Sign Control", "Coming Soon: Autosteer on city streets" for a $15,000 upgrade. There's a separate $6,000 "Enhanced Autopilot" upgrade option that covers the first five features ("Navigate on Autopilot" ... "Smart Summon"). That's all the detail I get. I presume that at least auto park and summon are unlocked immediately, because those worked on my previous leased Model S without being in a beta. The the first feature "Navigate on Autopilot", which is in both options, sounds like has to be an over-sell. How that doesn't imply autosteering is beyond me.
- cypress66 4y ago
  Anybody (except those with MCU1) can immediately get access to FSD beta right now. You can check on YouTube how good or bad fsd beta is.
TheDesolate0 4y ago
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