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> The crude incidence of stroke was higher among individuals who had ever received an influenza vaccination (1·25%) compared with those who had not (0·52%; tabl
by colechristensen 4y ago
> The crude incidence of stroke was higher among individuals who had ever received an influenza vaccination (1·25%) compared with those who had not (0·52%; table). However, this crude observation was confounded. Adjusted for age, sex, comorbid illness, and socioeconomic status, recent vaccination (within 182 days) was associated with a reduced hazard of stroke (hazard ratio [HR] 0·775 [95% CI 0·757–0·793]).
I doubt that the result of this paper is valid.
The crude results have more strokes for people who vaccinated, but they used statistics to demonstrate that vaccination helps. Well there are a lot of choices to make when correcting for factors, and it’s quite hard to evaluate truth that way.
The thing which sticks out particularly is correcting for cormorbid conditions. If you do that, you could very well just be pushing out sick people. Two kinds of people will vaccinate more: people who are sick and get encouraged by doctors they see more often, and people who pay more attention to their health. If you “correct for” people with comorbid conditions you might have a larger influence of healthy people who pay attention to their health.
In other words, it is plausible that the actual results of the study are “being the sort of person who vaccinates is associated with lower incidence of stroke” not because the vaccine has any effect but because general things people who try to take care of their health do tend to prevent a few strokes (like going to a doctor who notices high blood pressure and getting treatment)
- zeristor 4y agoYes, this is quite a big deal additional studies to check various aspects would be warranted to confirm this.
- jtbayly 4y agoPlus, it’s possible that the group that has comorbidities is the larger group. The “correction” could then hide the fact that encouraging people to get the vaccine will result in more people having strokes overall.
- refurb 4y ago> I doubt that the result of this paper is valid. Agreed. Or at least highly suspect. Correcting for confounding factors is not an exact science. There is a large degree of "art" to it. When the raw data says "inverse effect" then you "adjust for confounding factors" and it says the opposite, that should be viewed with suspicion.
- icegreentea2 4y agoI agree that stuff can get washed out during the comorbidity control process, but I thought that the comparison of vaccination status + each comorbidity to be reasonably persuasive (Figure 4 and 5). Certainly not bullet proof, but reasonable.
- stephen_g 4y agoSince they said that effect disappears after adjusting for things including age, I would guess it’s actually just more likely to be because older people are both far more likely to have strokes, and also more likely to have ever had a flu vaccine…