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Really it can get that bad?

raphman 4y ago
Pat Volkerding, Slackware maintainer, suffered from Actinomycosis in 2004 - quite a chilling read [0]. > To help me avoid more tooth decay my dad bought me one of those fancy > rechargable electric toothbrushes that really powers away the plaque. > It also creates a fine aerosol mist of plaque, and I started to wonder > if 4 years of using this brush had caused me to breathe in some of this > plaque mist and moved an infection into my lungs. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20050206180243/http://www.slackware.com/~volkerdi/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt https://web.archive.org/web/20050206180243/http://www.slackw...
- moneywoes 4y ago
  Wait toothbrushes are a concern?
  - ranger47 4y ago
    Everything is a concern. It's not often that humanity gets it right the first time, so the trick is to be ready to make changes when new verifiable data comes to light.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
      Thank you for saying that. I personally always found it confusing that people at some point simply say 'I am done learning anything new' as if their current model of the world is already perfect. I might understand there is a physical memory limit, but I sincerely doubt it is even scratched for most people. I understand the evolutionary underpinnings for it ( 'what I did got me this far did it not?' ), but it is still not a great excuse for a conscious being.
      - zsz 4y ago
        It's not as if it's a hard limit, and you become incapable of absorbing additional facts beyond a certain point. If anything, the human mind seems best adapted to ongoing learning, as it seems to store (and discard) information in terms of relational strength.
      - mike_hock 4y ago
        > people at some point simply say 'I am done learning anything new' Yeah, it's not good to do that, but how is that related? The "evolutionary underpinnings" are a sound rationale, not an excuse. Not for completely eschewing new information but being conservative in making changes.
  - naasking 4y ago
    Poor oral hygiene is linked to heart disease too
    - tiahura 4y ago
      And dementia
  - AlbertCory 4y ago
    I knew a guy once who had very serious heart trouble after a teeth-cleaning. This is not even an unknown phenomenon -- cleaning your teeth does make small wounds in your gums, and oral bacteria can get into your bloodstream.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    Dental procedures and even tooth brushing increase blood bacteria levels. In addition to aerosolizing, they also reach circulation through gingival lesions caused by the procedure. Once in the blood, they can colonize the heart and cause endocarditis. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.107.758524 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.107.7... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12212870/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12212870/
- bradknowles 4y ago
  I quickly learned to keep my mouth closed while brushing my teeth.

Pat Volkerding, Slackware maintainer, suffered from Actinomycosis in 2004 - quite a chilling read [0]. > To help me avoid more tooth decay my dad bought me one of those fancy > rechargable electric toothbrushes that really powers away the plaque. > It also creates a fine aerosol mist of plaque, and I started to wonder > if 4 years of using this brush had caused me to breathe in some of this > plaque mist and moved an infection into my lungs. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20050206180243/http://www.slackware.com/~volkerdi/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt https://web.archive.org/web/20050206180243/http://www.slackw...

moneywoes 4y ago
Wait toothbrushes are a concern?
- ranger47 4y ago
  Everything is a concern. It's not often that humanity gets it right the first time, so the trick is to be ready to make changes when new verifiable data comes to light.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
    Thank you for saying that. I personally always found it confusing that people at some point simply say 'I am done learning anything new' as if their current model of the world is already perfect. I might understand there is a physical memory limit, but I sincerely doubt it is even scratched for most people. I understand the evolutionary underpinnings for it ( 'what I did got me this far did it not?' ), but it is still not a great excuse for a conscious being.
    - zsz 4y ago
      It's not as if it's a hard limit, and you become incapable of absorbing additional facts beyond a certain point. If anything, the human mind seems best adapted to ongoing learning, as it seems to store (and discard) information in terms of relational strength.
    - mike_hock 4y ago
      > people at some point simply say 'I am done learning anything new' Yeah, it's not good to do that, but how is that related? The "evolutionary underpinnings" are a sound rationale, not an excuse. Not for completely eschewing new information but being conservative in making changes.
- naasking 4y ago
  Poor oral hygiene is linked to heart disease too
  - tiahura 4y ago
    And dementia
- AlbertCory 4y ago
  I knew a guy once who had very serious heart trouble after a teeth-cleaning. This is not even an unknown phenomenon -- cleaning your teeth does make small wounds in your gums, and oral bacteria can get into your bloodstream.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  Dental procedures and even tooth brushing increase blood bacteria levels. In addition to aerosolizing, they also reach circulation through gingival lesions caused by the procedure. Once in the blood, they can colonize the heart and cause endocarditis. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.107.758524 https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.107.7... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12212870/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12212870/
bradknowles 4y ago
I quickly learned to keep my mouth closed while brushing my teeth.