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I'd like to have an experiment on how HN the crowd evaluates the following claims/observations. - personality tests - why not tarot, enneagram, astrology, huma

I'd like to have an experiment on how HN the crowd evaluates the following claims/observations. - personality tests - why not tarot, enneagram, astrology, human design, etc The most functional way to see these systems, I believe, is not as descriptive systems that need to be empirically proven to be useful. Instead, they can be used with a phenomenological attitude. Instead of objective, they are useful as pedagogical tools, as constructive learning environments, as something to reflect one's immediate subjective experience against. What is there in human experience others before me have observed, that by just directing my attention to it, I can find new points of view, new discoveries about my own way of perceiving myself and reality? If I continue to observe the phenomena with sustained presence in my embodied experience, what can this make visible in the whole of my emotional-mental-social-bodily experience that I'd not noticed before just because I had not happened to be present to see it?

WastingMyTime89 4y ago
The issue with most personality tests is not their objectivity per se. It’s that most have provably none despite being extremely prescriptive, asserting they do state truth and being used by other to make decision about you as if they were truthful. It’s even more infuriating because actually valid personality tests exist but are not used because they are marketed less and are more nuanced in what they state. There is a famous precedent for a divination tool becoming a major piece of philosophy through being commented. It’s the I Ching. If you read it, you will see that the predictions it makes are always very vague. The value is in the large body of interpretations which extract from the text and its symbolism some always applicable precepts.
Krasnol 4y ago
I'm quite sure those are all interesting experiments you could do at home. Probably with some friends, having smoked something creative while listening to good music. The problem starts when your job depends on some crazy voodoo your current HR representative believes in and you have to fit your world view into it and sell it believable. Something which is happening and Zodiac Sign incomparability is the least of those problems. I had a big shot from the US in my former company who got the idea of forcing us into one of those "you're going to be a colour afterwards"-tests. Luckily I worked in Germany and after the initial handing out of information, the whole thing became something between a running gag and "don't even try to force me into this, I'll mess you up over privacy laws". He gave up.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago

The issue with most personality tests is not their objectivity per se. It’s that most have provably none despite being extremely prescriptive, asserting they do state truth and being used by other to make decision about you as if they were truthful. It’s even more infuriating because actually valid personality tests exist but are not used because they are marketed less and are more nuanced in what they state. There is a famous precedent for a divination tool becoming a major piece of philosophy through being commented. It’s the I Ching. If you read it, you will see that the predictions it makes are always very vague. The value is in the large body of interpretations which extract from the text and its symbolism some always applicable precepts.

Krasnol 4y ago

I'm quite sure those are all interesting experiments you could do at home. Probably with some friends, having smoked something creative while listening to good music. The problem starts when your job depends on some crazy voodoo your current HR representative believes in and you have to fit your world view into it and sell it believable. Something which is happening and Zodiac Sign incomparability is the least of those problems. I had a big shot from the US in my former company who got the idea of forcing us into one of those "you're going to be a colour afterwards"-tests. Luckily I worked in Germany and after the initial handing out of information, the whole thing became something between a running gag and "don't even try to force me into this, I'll mess you up over privacy laws". He gave up.