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For 20 years they’ve gotten it for free. Why start paying now? Apple is not a friend to the little guy, quite the opposite. Remember, Steve Jobs was good frien

For 20 years they’ve gotten it for free. Why start paying now? Apple is not a friend to the little guy, quite the opposite. Remember, Steve Jobs was good friends with Larry Ellison who famously said that open source is there to be exploited. These guys all think the same way.

nickpp 4y ago
Wasn’t it offered for free?! Or was something asking in exchange? There are plenty of licenses which are free only for non-commercial use. The author choose the “free for all” license for a reason though.
- lapcat 4y ago
  This is missing the point and focusing on the 1st paragraph of the article. 2nd paragraph: > Yet, there are many curl users on the different Apple platforms and sometimes these users run into issues that are unique to those platforms and are challenging to address without direct access to such. In other words, it's to Apple's own detriment if the author of curl doesn't have access to Apple hardware. curl is offered for free, and the consequence of that is the author of curl is under no obligation to support Apple platforms or shell out money for Apple hardware.
  - sbuk 4y ago
    So change the license or stop supporting Apple OS's. Or ask them, or the community for a donation.
    - lapcat 4y ago
      > Or ask them, or the community for a donation. First sentence of the article: "A generous member of the wider curl community stepped up and donated an unused Mac mini m1 model to me to be used for curl development."
      - sbuk 4y ago
        So where is the problem?
        lapcat 4y ago
        The problem is that you've taken legitimate criticism of a BigCo and turned it into some kind of superfluous unsolicited advice for the critic.
        sbuk 4y ago
        Why is it a "legitimate" criticism. That's just you opinion. Doesn't make it any more (or less) valid than the question I'm posing; why is the developer entitled to Apple providing hardware for testing? Do people purchase Macs purely for cURL - I doubt it. It's merely a convenient tool that is not encumbered by a GNU license. It sounds to me more like the typical outpourings of the oft-entitled developers. You develop software for MacOS, do you expect a free Mac? The cURL license permits the form of re-distribution that apple are employing, does it not? Are other hardware manufacturers expected to donate hardware? Does the developer have reference machines from Intel or AMD? Edit - Looking at https://opencollective.com/curl https://opencollective.com/curl, the project received $64,000 in donations, and the developer is employed, full-time, by a company to work on cURL. You'd have slightly more of a point if this were not the case, however as it stands it looks like a whine about Apple.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > That's just you opinion. If you read the other comments on this submission, it's not just my opinion. > Doesn't make it any more (or less) valid than the question I'm posing; why is the developer entitled to Apple providing hardware for testing? That's the wrong question. The developer is not entitled to Apple hardware and never claimed to be entitled. The issue is explained in my earlier comment in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34183736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34183736 To repeat myself: > Yet, there are many curl users on the different Apple platforms and sometimes these users run into issues that are unique to those platforms and are challenging to address without direct access to such. In other words, it's to Apple's own detriment if the author of curl doesn't have access to Apple hardware. curl is offered for free, and the consequence of that is the author of curl is under no obligation to support Apple platforms or shell out money for Apple hardware. > You develop software for MacOS, do you expect a free Mac? This is a straw man. Apple does not ship my software with macOS, unlike curl. Also, I make money selling Mac software, unlike curl.
rimliu 4y ago
Read it all: https://www.quora.com/What-goes-into-making-an-OS-to-be-Unix-compliant-certified https://www.quora.com/What-goes-into-making-an-OS-to-be-Unix...
nicky0 4y ago
Ah yes the old X is friends with Y and they are all the same.

nickpp 4y ago

Wasn’t it offered for free?! Or was something asking in exchange? There are plenty of licenses which are free only for non-commercial use. The author choose the “free for all” license for a reason though.

lapcat 4y ago
This is missing the point and focusing on the 1st paragraph of the article. 2nd paragraph: > Yet, there are many curl users on the different Apple platforms and sometimes these users run into issues that are unique to those platforms and are challenging to address without direct access to such. In other words, it's to Apple's own detriment if the author of curl doesn't have access to Apple hardware. curl is offered for free, and the consequence of that is the author of curl is under no obligation to support Apple platforms or shell out money for Apple hardware.
- sbuk 4y ago
  So change the license or stop supporting Apple OS's. Or ask them, or the community for a donation.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > Or ask them, or the community for a donation. First sentence of the article: "A generous member of the wider curl community stepped up and donated an unused Mac mini m1 model to me to be used for curl development."
    - sbuk 4y ago
      So where is the problem?
      - lapcat 4y ago
        The problem is that you've taken legitimate criticism of a BigCo and turned it into some kind of superfluous unsolicited advice for the critic.
        sbuk 4y ago
        Why is it a "legitimate" criticism. That's just you opinion. Doesn't make it any more (or less) valid than the question I'm posing; why is the developer entitled to Apple providing hardware for testing? Do people purchase Macs purely for cURL - I doubt it. It's merely a convenient tool that is not encumbered by a GNU license. It sounds to me more like the typical outpourings of the oft-entitled developers. You develop software for MacOS, do you expect a free Mac? The cURL license permits the form of re-distribution that apple are employing, does it not? Are other hardware manufacturers expected to donate hardware? Does the developer have reference machines from Intel or AMD? Edit - Looking at https://opencollective.com/curl https://opencollective.com/curl, the project received $64,000 in donations, and the developer is employed, full-time, by a company to work on cURL. You'd have slightly more of a point if this were not the case, however as it stands it looks like a whine about Apple.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > That's just you opinion. If you read the other comments on this submission, it's not just my opinion. > Doesn't make it any more (or less) valid than the question I'm posing; why is the developer entitled to Apple providing hardware for testing? That's the wrong question. The developer is not entitled to Apple hardware and never claimed to be entitled. The issue is explained in my earlier comment in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34183736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34183736 To repeat myself: > Yet, there are many curl users on the different Apple platforms and sometimes these users run into issues that are unique to those platforms and are challenging to address without direct access to such. In other words, it's to Apple's own detriment if the author of curl doesn't have access to Apple hardware. curl is offered for free, and the consequence of that is the author of curl is under no obligation to support Apple platforms or shell out money for Apple hardware. > You develop software for MacOS, do you expect a free Mac? This is a straw man. Apple does not ship my software with macOS, unlike curl. Also, I make money selling Mac software, unlike curl.

rimliu 4y ago

Read it all: https://www.quora.com/What-goes-into-making-an-OS-to-be-Unix-compliant-certified https://www.quora.com/What-goes-into-making-an-OS-to-be-Unix...

nicky0 4y ago

Ah yes the old X is friends with Y and they are all the same.