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I would like to know as well. UTM isn't great at the moment

by nortonham 4y ago

zenosmosis 4y ago
Parallels. I use an Ubuntu VM via Parallels on a Mac Studio M1 Max and the performance feels native.
- joshspankit 4y ago
  Native? Are you comparing emulated x86 to native Windows ARM via dual-boot?
  - xet7 4y ago
    Windows arm64 can not boot natively on M1/M2. There is no drivers for Windows to do that. It's just about running Win11 arm64 in Parallels in macOS. Asahi Linux has modified kernel where is M1/M2 drivers, and remaining of Asahi is from Arch Linux. Asahi is installed like new version of macOS, notification about it goes to Apple, Apple just does not know it's actually Asahi Linux install. M1/M2 hardware has possibility for Linux by design, Apple most likely had some minimal Linux running on it for test purposes. There are also other FOSS distros for M1/M2, they use partially same packages and ways to make installing dual boot OS possible. It's also possible to install macOS and Asahi Linux to external SSD drive and boot from there. But part of boot is still at internal drive, so it's not like boot at any computer yet.
    - joshspankit 4y ago
      That’s where I thought we were on the M1/M2 but got really curious about your statement “the performance feels native.” I thought you were saying that you found a way to run Windows on bare metal and were comparing bare metal vs Parallels
  - xet7 4y ago
    Currently I'm booting M1 Air 16 GB RAM version from external 2 TB Samsung T7 Shield SSD, because it has more space for Mac software. https://www.uubyte.com/blog/how-to-install-macos-ventura-on-an-external-ssd-drive/ https://www.uubyte.com/blog/how-to-install-macos-ventura-on-... Internal 256 GB disk has dual boot macOS and Asahi Linux.
- nortonham 4y ago
  parallels cost money? or am i wrong about that? There's no qemu equivalent on mac I don't think.
  - xet7 4y ago
    Yes, Parallels costs money, and if you run Win11 arm64, buying license for that also costs money. UTM is Qemu. Qemu can be compiled for macOS and Linux. I just today figured out how to compile Qemu on arm64 (actually using OrangePi that has 16 GB RAM and is arm64, similar like Linux on M1) so that it can run ReactOS. OrangePi has 8 cores (shown with "nproc"), so I used "make -j8" to make compiling use all cores, compiling faster: Networking examples for various OS: https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking Slirp required to be included when compiling, to have user networking: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/1917161 https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/1917161 sudo apt -y install git libglib2.0-dev libfdt-dev libpixman-1-dev zlib1g-dev ninja-build git-email libaio-dev libbluetooth-dev libcapstone-dev libbrlapi-dev libbz2-dev libcap-ng-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libgtk-3-dev libibverbs-dev libjpeg8-dev libncurses5-dev libnuma-dev librbd-dev librdmacm-dev libsasl2-dev libsdl2-dev libseccomp-dev libsnappy-dev libssh-dev libvde-dev libvdeplug-dev libvte-2.91-dev libxen-dev liblzo2-dev valgrind xfslibs-dev libnfs-dev libiscsi-dev meson git clone https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu.git https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu.git cd qemu git submodule init git submodule update git clone https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/slirp/libslirp https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/slirp/libslirp cd libslirp meson build ninja -C build install cd .. mkdir build cd build ../configure --enable-slirp make -j8 sudo make install sudo apt install qemu-utils wget reactos-32bit-bootcd-nightly.7z 7z x reactos-32bit-bootcd-nightly.7z mv reactos*.iso ReactOS.iso qemu-img create -f qcow2 ReactOS.qcow2 20G qemu-system-i386 -m 3G -drive if=ide,index=0,media=disk,file=ReactOS.qcow2 -drive if=ide,index=2,media=cdrom,file=ReactOS.iso -boot order=d -serial stdio -netdev user,id=n0 -device rtl8139,netdev=n0
    - nortonham 4y ago
      thanks, this is extremely helpful. Any idea if there is something like virt manager for macos. So far I'm not a fan of UTM.
- xet7 4y ago
  Parallels on M1 runs Win11 arm64 and Ubuntu arm64, those are as default installed templates, included inside VM installed AddOns. They are fast, because they do not emulate full CPU like amd64. Win11 arm64 can run amd64 software, it's CPU emulation stuff included in Win11 itself. So Win11 arm64 and run amd64 versions of MS Office, AmigaForever, etc amd64 software.

I would like to know as well. UTM isn't great at the moment

zenosmosis 4y ago

Parallels. I use an Ubuntu VM via Parallels on a Mac Studio M1 Max and the performance feels native.

joshspankit 4y ago
Native? Are you comparing emulated x86 to native Windows ARM via dual-boot?
- xet7 4y ago
  Windows arm64 can not boot natively on M1/M2. There is no drivers for Windows to do that. It's just about running Win11 arm64 in Parallels in macOS. Asahi Linux has modified kernel where is M1/M2 drivers, and remaining of Asahi is from Arch Linux. Asahi is installed like new version of macOS, notification about it goes to Apple, Apple just does not know it's actually Asahi Linux install. M1/M2 hardware has possibility for Linux by design, Apple most likely had some minimal Linux running on it for test purposes. There are also other FOSS distros for M1/M2, they use partially same packages and ways to make installing dual boot OS possible. It's also possible to install macOS and Asahi Linux to external SSD drive and boot from there. But part of boot is still at internal drive, so it's not like boot at any computer yet.
  - joshspankit 4y ago
    That’s where I thought we were on the M1/M2 but got really curious about your statement “the performance feels native.” I thought you were saying that you found a way to run Windows on bare metal and were comparing bare metal vs Parallels
- xet7 4y ago
  Currently I'm booting M1 Air 16 GB RAM version from external 2 TB Samsung T7 Shield SSD, because it has more space for Mac software. https://www.uubyte.com/blog/how-to-install-macos-ventura-on-an-external-ssd-drive/ https://www.uubyte.com/blog/how-to-install-macos-ventura-on-... Internal 256 GB disk has dual boot macOS and Asahi Linux.
nortonham 4y ago
parallels cost money? or am i wrong about that? There's no qemu equivalent on mac I don't think.
- xet7 4y ago
  Yes, Parallels costs money, and if you run Win11 arm64, buying license for that also costs money. UTM is Qemu. Qemu can be compiled for macOS and Linux. I just today figured out how to compile Qemu on arm64 (actually using OrangePi that has 16 GB RAM and is arm64, similar like Linux on M1) so that it can run ReactOS. OrangePi has 8 cores (shown with "nproc"), so I used "make -j8" to make compiling use all cores, compiling faster: Networking examples for various OS: https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking Slirp required to be included when compiling, to have user networking: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/1917161 https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/1917161 sudo apt -y install git libglib2.0-dev libfdt-dev libpixman-1-dev zlib1g-dev ninja-build git-email libaio-dev libbluetooth-dev libcapstone-dev libbrlapi-dev libbz2-dev libcap-ng-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libgtk-3-dev libibverbs-dev libjpeg8-dev libncurses5-dev libnuma-dev librbd-dev librdmacm-dev libsasl2-dev libsdl2-dev libseccomp-dev libsnappy-dev libssh-dev libvde-dev libvdeplug-dev libvte-2.91-dev libxen-dev liblzo2-dev valgrind xfslibs-dev libnfs-dev libiscsi-dev meson git clone https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu.git https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu.git cd qemu git submodule init git submodule update git clone https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/slirp/libslirp https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/slirp/libslirp cd libslirp meson build ninja -C build install cd .. mkdir build cd build ../configure --enable-slirp make -j8 sudo make install sudo apt install qemu-utils wget reactos-32bit-bootcd-nightly.7z 7z x reactos-32bit-bootcd-nightly.7z mv reactos*.iso ReactOS.iso qemu-img create -f qcow2 ReactOS.qcow2 20G qemu-system-i386 -m 3G -drive if=ide,index=0,media=disk,file=ReactOS.qcow2 -drive if=ide,index=2,media=cdrom,file=ReactOS.iso -boot order=d -serial stdio -netdev user,id=n0 -device rtl8139,netdev=n0
  - nortonham 4y ago
    thanks, this is extremely helpful. Any idea if there is something like virt manager for macos. So far I'm not a fan of UTM.
xet7 4y ago
Parallels on M1 runs Win11 arm64 and Ubuntu arm64, those are as default installed templates, included inside VM installed AddOns. They are fast, because they do not emulate full CPU like amd64. Win11 arm64 can run amd64 software, it's CPU emulation stuff included in Win11 itself. So Win11 arm64 and run amd64 versions of MS Office, AmigaForever, etc amd64 software.