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(It's Will Robinson.) This sounds like a Perry Mason episode...either the tarot reading has some kind of observable truth, in which case it is treated as a fac

by mbg721 4y ago

(It's Will Robinson.) This sounds like a Perry Mason episode...either the tarot reading has some kind of observable truth, in which case it is treated as a fact, or it's just made-up nonsense, in which case it is opinion.

ummonk 4y ago
Even if it's treated as fact, it has to be false. Has she lied about what cards she saw in the tarot reading?
- 082349872349872 4y ago
  But that's tptacek's original point: what if she saw a "3 of Cups", and said "3 of Cups means that Professor X did Y (in the Conservatory)". Is that an opinion (her interpretation of what the card means) or a lie (because it's highly unlikely there's any system in which that card could possibly lead to that interpretation)?
  - ArmandTanzarian 4y ago
    That isnt how the cards work, nor could anyone with the most rudimentary understanding of the cards interpret such a thing from any set of cards. I don't know if "liar" is the word i'd use, but anyone making such concrete statements based on a reading is not doing any research whatsoever on card meanings. I am in the camp that the cards are an excellent tool at helping the user examine their situation/self/ethics in an abstract way that ultimately help us better understand our feelings and address issues that we may be ignoring. It does seem rather uncanny reflecting on previous readings and how they consistently seem to accurately reflect situations and courses of action, but surely this is what i projected onto the cards?
benj111 4y ago
If I said God showed me a list of all the arseholes in the world, and your name was on it. Is that defamation? If you believe in God, you could reasonably believe that God came down and showed me the list. If you don't believe, then this is obviously made up. My personal opinion is that a 'fact' depends upon what the audience and/or speaker believes. So a tarot reading on a tarot reading channel could be construed as a fact. As could trump stating at a trump rally that the election was stolen.

by mbg721 4y ago

ummonk 4y ago

Even if it's treated as fact, it has to be false. Has she lied about what cards she saw in the tarot reading?

082349872349872 4y ago
But that's tptacek's original point: what if she saw a "3 of Cups", and said "3 of Cups means that Professor X did Y (in the Conservatory)". Is that an opinion (her interpretation of what the card means) or a lie (because it's highly unlikely there's any system in which that card could possibly lead to that interpretation)?
- ArmandTanzarian 4y ago
  That isnt how the cards work, nor could anyone with the most rudimentary understanding of the cards interpret such a thing from any set of cards. I don't know if "liar" is the word i'd use, but anyone making such concrete statements based on a reading is not doing any research whatsoever on card meanings. I am in the camp that the cards are an excellent tool at helping the user examine their situation/self/ethics in an abstract way that ultimately help us better understand our feelings and address issues that we may be ignoring. It does seem rather uncanny reflecting on previous readings and how they consistently seem to accurately reflect situations and courses of action, but surely this is what i projected onto the cards?

benj111 4y ago

If I said God showed me a list of all the arseholes in the world, and your name was on it. Is that defamation? If you believe in God, you could reasonably believe that God came down and showed me the list. If you don't believe, then this is obviously made up. My personal opinion is that a 'fact' depends upon what the audience and/or speaker believes. So a tarot reading on a tarot reading channel could be construed as a fact. As could trump stating at a trump rally that the election was stolen.