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Part of the challenge is getting people to see the true cost of the free services they consume. The internet today defaults to the "all you can eat buffet" post
by g_p 4y ago
Part of the challenge is getting people to see the true cost of the free services they consume. The internet today defaults to the "all you can eat buffet" post-scarcity world.
The kagi team are transparent about what it actually costs them (in cash) for searches you make. If they go down the advertising route, they'll just become another Google, as the incentives are not aligned.
First you'll get more ads onto the page to crowd out organic content. Then you'll subtly adjust what users search for, or what you return, to ensure you optimise for your highest paying ads. Then you'll hyper localise to make even more from sponsored listings etc.
If we want an internet where users aren't the product, there needs to be more transparency about what "free" things are actually costing in compute resource and similar. And ultimately a user has to either bring in more money than they cost (not ideal in developing countries where ad impressions and clicks can be worth a lot less), pay for what they use with a margin on top, or the company has to go onto the VC treadmill of promising greater future returns from eyeballs (back to advertising and data brokering again....)
Therefore while it is expensive compared with free, they're also being transparent about their real costs, and what the services that are free elsewhere (with monetisation) are actually having to make from selling ads to you to break even.
- methou 4y agoI'm not sure how much room for improvements, but current cost is a bit high, it reads: ``` Your payments to usage balance -$8.50 ``` If I have to pay $18.5/mo, it will definitely bar me from using Kagi
- g_p 4y agoIndeed - they actually did surveys and found 70% of users wouldn't continue at $19/mo (but 30% would), so you're not alone. Since the costs in question are per search, I think they were previously considering different pricing options, recognising that getting to ramen profitability is likely better than having more users and losing money every month (they're not venture-backed).
- mdaniel 4y agoI thought for a second that per-search costs would incentivize them to make the search results better, but then realized that's not true of page=1 searches, only for any search page=2 and higher
- unshavedyak 4y agoMakes me wonder if there's a future where we can offload this cost to users local machines/servers. Eg if i can download a slice of their index, for a fixed price, then maybe the cost of per-search compute is better? I'd get more privacy, they'd save money (maybe), etc. But it depends on what the true cost is. Is it indexing? Or actually searching?