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> The bill also won’t require OEMs to provide “passwords, security codes or materials” to bypass security features, which is sometimes necessary to do to save a

> The bill also won’t require OEMs to provide “passwords, security codes or materials” to bypass security features, which is sometimes necessary to do to save a locked, but otherwise functionally fine device. GOOD! The uselessness of locked iPhones is why they aren’t stolen as much. Keep this!

Nextgrid 4y ago
The security and theft-deterrence argument is bullshit that's conveniently used by the manufacturer to mislead people into ruling in their favour. You can keep security and theft-deterrence while allowing repairability - simply give the (per-device) keys to the user on a piece of paper/smartcard/etc, that way the legitimate owner can decide to override the security while thieves or bad guys won't have the required secret keys.
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  I don’t think I follow how that changes the above case. The per device key can be the password the user sets up. They can remove, change, or share it when they go to resell the phone.
  - Zuiii 4y ago
    Not without that piece of paper they can't. What GP likely refers to is aken to a EUFI key that is printed on a piece of paper that you store in a safe place. Without this key, thieves or anyone else can't reset the phone.
    - dmitrygr 4y ago
      99.9 % of consumers will lose it.
      - Zuiii 4y ago
        Then they can send their devices to apple.
guiambros 4y ago
Even the FTC says this argument is BS [1], conveniently created by manufacturers to defend the status quo. And Louis Rossmann has a more colorful and eloquent explanation [2] of why this bill neuters the entire right-to-repair effort. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fix-ftc-report-congress-repair-restrictions/nixing_the_fix_report_final_5521_630pm-508_002.pdf https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fi... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGBB-717AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGBB-717AI
lost_tourist 4y ago
Let's eliminate a major freedom given to consumers so that one corner case is optimized.
- dmitrygr 4y ago
  As a consumer, I do not need you to speak for me and decide which freedoms matter to me more. I can do it myself. I prefer it this way.
  - than3 4y ago
    Yet those state government types don't listen to consumers. You voted them in, but can't necessarily vote them out.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 4y ago
I am going to victim blame you for having such an expensive bicycle. Ride around on a cheap piece of crap that is cheap to replace when stolen. After all petty theft is part and parcel of living in the Big City.

Nextgrid 4y ago

The security and theft-deterrence argument is bullshit that's conveniently used by the manufacturer to mislead people into ruling in their favour. You can keep security and theft-deterrence while allowing repairability - simply give the (per-device) keys to the user on a piece of paper/smartcard/etc, that way the legitimate owner can decide to override the security while thieves or bad guys won't have the required secret keys.

Waterluvian 4y ago
I don’t think I follow how that changes the above case. The per device key can be the password the user sets up. They can remove, change, or share it when they go to resell the phone.
- Zuiii 4y ago
  Not without that piece of paper they can't. What GP likely refers to is aken to a EUFI key that is printed on a piece of paper that you store in a safe place. Without this key, thieves or anyone else can't reset the phone.
  - dmitrygr 4y ago
    99.9 % of consumers will lose it.
    - Zuiii 4y ago
      Then they can send their devices to apple.

guiambros 4y ago

Even the FTC says this argument is BS [1], conveniently created by manufacturers to defend the status quo. And Louis Rossmann has a more colorful and eloquent explanation [2] of why this bill neuters the entire right-to-repair effort. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fix-ftc-report-congress-repair-restrictions/nixing_the_fix_report_final_5521_630pm-508_002.pdf https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fi... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGBB-717AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGBB-717AI

lost_tourist 4y ago

Let's eliminate a major freedom given to consumers so that one corner case is optimized.

dmitrygr 4y ago
As a consumer, I do not need you to speak for me and decide which freedoms matter to me more. I can do it myself. I prefer it this way.
- than3 4y ago
  Yet those state government types don't listen to consumers. You voted them in, but can't necessarily vote them out.

Am4TIfIsER0ppos 4y ago

I am going to victim blame you for having such an expensive bicycle. Ride around on a cheap piece of crap that is cheap to replace when stolen. After all petty theft is part and parcel of living in the Big City.